Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has
improved my lifestyle in this area immensely )
I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating
with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes.
(sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails
when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have
nothing interesting to offer)
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry
> users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are
> also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked
> Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another
> webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business
> model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible
> with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have
> to rewrite their frontend all over again and again.
>
> BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he
> going to be the next to deflect?
>
> Yours friendly,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Howard,
> >
> > Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on
> > the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel,
> > I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take
> > challenges head on.
> > Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple
> > of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have
> > fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name
> > more names. That within 7 years you've
> > trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I
> > would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years,
> > if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow
> > Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of
> > any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee
> > from the schock and pain. At a point in time your
> > ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any
> > bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current
> > state.
> > The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename
> > Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it
> > resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about
> > backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have
> > your peace of mind.
> >
> > Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the
> > messenger.
> >
> > Yours friendly,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible
> > > ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working
> > > with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's
> > > chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really
> > > doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's
> > > able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he
> > > knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive.
> > >
> > > I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a
> > > capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his
> > > hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a
> > > socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is
> > > capable of stringing together words and phrases without really
> > > understanding any of it. "Rob" gets a sense of power by trying to
> > > "tweak" myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though
> > > a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I
> > > don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain
> > > aspect.
> > >
> > > Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the
> > > time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way "Rob" does
> > > has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts,
> > > those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished
> > > something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong
> > > match with "Rob" here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is
> > > a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire
> > > up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't
> > > stand to see it bashed.
> > >
> > > The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and
> > > every single person in the building is deriving their living directly
> > > from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven
> > > years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few
> > > years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies
> > > on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next
> > > year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users
> > > I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited
> > > about everything we have planned going forward.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> > > > Martin Kersten wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my
> > > face. I
> > > > like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you
> > > know
> > > > what I mean. :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You lucky !!!
> > > > <joking>
> > > > I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over
> > > him on
> > > > a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving
> > > license, and
> > > > I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :)
> > > > </joking>
> > > >
> > > > What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time.
> > > I
> > > > just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested
> > > in,
> > > > while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to
> > > all
> > > > the others...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 11.
> > > April
> > > > 2008 16:34
> > > > > An: Tapestry users
> > > > > Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > >
> > > Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind
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