And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again.
BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Howard, > > Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on > the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, > I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take > challenges head on. > Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple > of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have > fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name > more names. That within 7 years you've > trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I > would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, > if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow > Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of > any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee > from the schock and pain. At a point in time your > ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any > bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current > state. > The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename > Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it > resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about > backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have > your peace of mind. > > Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the > messenger. > > Yours friendly, > > Rob > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible > > ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working > > with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's > > chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really > > doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's > > able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he > > knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. > > > > I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a > > capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his > > hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a > > socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is > > capable of stringing together words and phrases without really > > understanding any of it. "Rob" gets a sense of power by trying to > > "tweak" myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though > > a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I > > don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain > > aspect. > > > > Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the > > time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way "Rob" does > > has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, > > those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished > > something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong > > match with "Rob" here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is > > a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire > > up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't > > stand to see it bashed. > > > > The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and > > every single person in the building is deriving their living directly > > from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven > > years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few > > years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies > > on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next > > year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users > > I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited > > about everything we have planned going forward. > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > Martin Kersten wrote: > > > > > > > I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my > > face. I > > > like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you > > know > > > what I mean. :-) > > > > > > > > > > You lucky !!! > > > <joking> > > > I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over > > him on > > > a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving > > license, and > > > I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :) > > > </joking> > > > > > > What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. > > I > > > just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested > > in, > > > while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to > > all > > > the others... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. > > April > > > 2008 16:34 > > > > An: Tapestry users > > > > Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > > > Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >
