Hi, nice to see what others are making. We use T5 to build different kinds of systems for public and private sectors, but mainly budgeting and enterprise resource planning and monitoring software. Currently we have 4 T5 systems in production all in different client's environments, and two more projects are nearing release almost immediately.
Our software typically integrates to multiple other systems, like personnel registries, data warehouses, salary systems, reporting systems etc. to combine all the wonderful data already present in most companies and to present it in usable and efficient way. The number of systems, old and new that are in use in a typical firm is overwhelming.. We'll anyway T5 has proven to be stable, doesn't require much resources to do it's tasks and is easy and reliable to integrate to almost anything. The most important thing to us is that T5 allows us, you could even say directs us, to architect our systems easily and well, it supports us to write easy-to-understand code by removing all that clutter and exposes only the real things we wish to do, which directly means less code, which directly means quality and reduced costs (the drop of unsuccesfull code inspections etc.) lowered bug fix times etc. And we can also sell cheaper in the first place and win more cases, as development times have dropped. Also it can be seen that the developers who work with T5 are more motivated and happy with their work than those that are still stuck maintaining old Struts and servlet stuff. This cannot be calculated and is hard to prove, but there is definitely that trend: whether developer maintains or creates new functionality with Struts (or asp.net) they usually start with "why me, couldn't xxx do it", where as with T5 software it usually is "ok, let's go through the specs..." Before we have used Struts, plain servlets, T4 and we still use asp.net / C# for clients that require it, and so far there just is no match for T5 when software must be developed with minimum cost, but still to the standard and professionally. (Which, in my opinion, excludes all scripting languages.) There definitely is learning curve (as with any new technology), but in my opinion it definitely is worth it. Our end products aren't that attractive or flashy, and most of the sites are intranet-only software anyway so I don't have any sites to provide. I also don't have any hard numbers to back my statements that I can publish, but I do know that the projects we sold two years ago would be sold for about 10-20% cheaper today. (And I mean technical development time, not the overall price to which I have no access.) If we would change back to using old technologies we would have to add 10-20% to our work estimates. Also the customer benefits: the bought software is less error prone, easier to maintain and develop further. Tapestry 5 is no silver bullet, you still have to think before you code, but it does clearly add value. We are 100% committed to Tapestry 5 and will be using and recommending it for upcoming projects. - Ville Ps. What I stated above is my experience in the firm I work for. On top of that I have developed wholesale trade software system on my own for orientimport.fi, which makes 7th system that uses T5 that I've build. (Currently only static website, in about month there should be the real system online.) Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > > I'm putting together some new presentations about Tapestry and I could > use the help of the Tapestry community. > > I need more pictures of live T5 sites. Just send me a URL and I can > do a screen grab. This is all about answering the question: "is it > mature?" > > I make a number of reasonable observations about Tapestry 5, but would > love quotes to back it up: > - Fast and easy to develop > - Helps with big teams > - Great performance > - Great internationalization / localization > - Live class reloading gives "almost scripting language productivity" > > > so quotes along the lines of "we were able to quickly put together > xyz" or "we found qrstuv much easier than our last framework" or > "would have been a failure without Tapestry". Don't let me put words > in your mouth, however! > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > Creator of Apache Tapestry > Director of Open Source Technology at Formos > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-REQUEST--Live-T5-web-sites%2C-quotes%2C-marketting-tp23050433p23095252.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
