hi,
Just thought I'd chime in here:I now have a six but after upgrading my for S to 
iOS 8 12, I found that it ran so slowly that when I offered it as a present to 
my partner, who has an old four, he said "no thanks".he said that it Ranzo so 
slowly, even with voice-over off because he doesn't have to use it, That he 
would rather not have the phone at all.so, I think it is fair to say that for 
some of us, at least, running iOS 8 12 on there for S has made the phone much 
less responsive and prone to crashing.
Thanks, Sandy

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> On 15 Jan 2015, at 13:08, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver will crash. You'll notice this because your phone will stop talking 
> to you and it will to appear to have hung. After a few seconds, you'll hear 
> "VoiceOver on" and everything will seem back to normal. This only happens to 
> me now two or three times a day. Like I said, it wouldn't keep me from 
> updating now that IOS 8 has been out for over three months.
> 
> I'm not aware of anyone on this or any other list complaining about IOS 8 
> performance degrading their 4S. This was true when IOS 8 was first released, 
> but Apple has already addressed this in one of the IOS 8 updates. There were 
> some people who were speculating that IOS 8 wouldn't run well on the 4S, but 
> like I said, I've been paying attention to this issue as an iPhone 4S user, 
> and I haven't seen anyone who's actually moved up to IOS 8 on their 4S 
> complain about any serious degradation.
> 
> I think you said that your iPhone 4S has 8G. This shouldn't be a problem once 
> you get the phone upgraded to IOS 8, since you're currently using it with 
> that much capacity and IOS 7, but it may be a struggle to get it upgraded. 
> IOS 8 will require around 5G of free space to upgrade  over the air. You'll 
> need significantly less space if you're upgrading with iTunes from your 
> PC/Mac.
> 
> Remember, I'm just one iPhone 4S user, and this is just my opinion. I'd 
> listen to other iPhone 4S users as well. Also, take note as to what you read 
> on this list and research on the web, but don't forget, that anyone can post 
> an opinion, so take anything anyone says who doesn't have experience with IOS 
> 8 on a 4S with a grain of salt.
> 
>> On 01/15/2015 06:34 AM, Don & Cher wrote:
>> Christopher- My husband doesn't use Safari or email, so that's not a 
>> concern, but I did read some techie talk that the 4s might struggle with 
>> IOS8 regardless of what Apple says. What specific behavior is called a " 
>> VoiceOver restart"? Thanks for your reply.
>> 
>> Cher
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: 4S Users- did IOS8 degrade your phone?
>> 
>> I'm running IOS 8 on my 4S. I have the same bugs that still afflict all IOS 
>> 8 VoiceOver users regardless of the handset they're using. In addition, I 
>> suspect I still get VoiceOver restarts a bit more frequently than might be 
>> seen on other handsets. It isn't frequent though.
>> Performance is good in general, but I do get some slowness on some complex 
>> web pages and email messages. LinkedIn is a good example. If you are looking 
>> for a particular feature in IOS 8 then I'd go for it. I'd probably go for it 
>> now in any case since I'm sure there are apps that aren't getting updated as 
>> long as you're running IOS 7.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/14/2015 05:19 PM, Don & Cher wrote:
>>> Have held off on my husband's 4s with only 8 GB- what are your thoughts?
>>> Thanks- Cher
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