I wholeheartedly agree. it is incumbent on each of us, to be as responsible for 
ourselves as we are able. This does not mean spurn help or be militant, it 
means being personally responsible for our own choices, actions, how and when 
we accept and reject assistance, Etc., the true definition of independence. For 
example, I often use my iPhone's GPS to help me get to the area of my 
destination. If I do not know the place,, I then start asking people. If nobody 
is around, I go in to nearby businesses if I can find them. If that doesn't 
work, I have been known to ring doorbells/knock on residential doors. After 
all, if sighted people can do that when they are hopelessly lost, what makes me 
think I am superior to them? Don't tell me you have never had a sighted person 
ask you for directions. A few times, people have knocked on my door because 
they were lost.

Accept the strengths and limitations of your tools so you can get on with your 
life!

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 10/08/2012, at 15:12, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure car routes aren't important to us. My sighted wife does all
> of the driving, and she used to, and probably still does, use a GPS
> device. Since I started using MapQuest though, she prefers to let me do
> the navigating while she's doing the driving. I think there's a lot less
> tension in the car now since we started doing this!
> 
> Also, if I'm asking someone for a ride, I don't expect them to always
> know where i need to go. Unless they're going there as well, I think
> it's my responsibility to know where I need to go, the address of where
> I'm going and the directions on how to get there.
> 
> On 09/08/12 22:05, Gail the U. S. Male wrote:
>> Certainly it is a tool, to be used in conjunction with cane, or dog, and
>> your mobility training.  No, it won't get you exactly there, but it sure
>> comes in handy for keeping track of what streets you're walking on, and
>> where you are.  Car routes don't matter as much to us, because *hopefully*
>> you're not driving, and have a sighted person doing that part, and they can
>> read the signs. LOL!
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Ron Pelletier
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: GPS Apps & Stand-A-Lone GPS Units
>> 
>> Eileen,
>> 
>> I am so glad you brought that up.  Ever since my very first Trekker about 5
>> years ago, I have been saying that a GPS is a good mobility tool and nothing
>> else.  As well as helping you, it can also get you killed if you pay more
>> attention to it than to your orientation and mobility.  You must never pay
>> so much attention to the device that you forget to pay attention to what you
>> are doing.  If I am about to cross a street and the GPS talks while I am
>> reading my traffic, I ignore it and make my crossing as I have been trained
>> to do and just stop and press the repeat button on the other side.  It also
>> seems to me like too many people think that the GPS will go and place your
>> hand on the door knob.  I am lucky to get within 10 metres of a target and
>> use my dog's and my ability to do the rest.  
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Eileen Misrahi
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: GPS Apps & Stand-A-Lone GPS Units
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> I have been following this thread and I am concern that individuals are
>> relying too much on GPS apps or stand-a-lone GPS units. We must remember
>> that GPS is only a tool and it doesn't replace our orientation and mobility
>> skills. It's to give us information and the information is only as good as
>> the databases that the GPS apps or separate units have access to. This past
>> weekend I was up in San Francisco and all three GPS products were having
>> issues in giving precise information. At one point, all of them stated to
>> turn left where there was a "No Left Turn" sign (car route mode). I
>> understand that the choices we make regarding which GPS apps one will use is
>> a personal matter, and individual GPS apps should not be knocked. This can
>> give a misconception to those who haven't purchased a GPS app for their
>> phone. As one of the other posts stated, it will all change when the iPhone5
>> will be available regarding the purchasing of GPS apps. I just hope that
>> Apple gets it right the first time. Now!! I will probably be cut down for
>> this, but it is the Sendero GPS on my Apex that I eventually turn on to get
>> more precise information and options that are not  available on my GPS apps
>> on the phone. At least I have lots of options to get the info that I need
>> when I am out-and-about. However, these options do not replace my ability to
>> travel with the white cane. 
>> 
>> Thanks for listening. 
>> 
>> Eileen 
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