Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Christopher Chaltain]

I like how anyone who disagrees with this post is going to be labeled as 
an Android fan boy. Not sure why people can't make their points and let 
them stand on their own. The fact of the matter is that you don't have 
to trade off security for functionality. I assume Apple does this to 
save themselves development and support costs, but this is a decision 
Apple and iPhone users have made.

Contrary to the statement below, Android does not allow your or anyone 
else to do whatever they want on your phone. This isn't true for 
Android, Windows, OSX or any other operating system perceived to be less 
secure than IOS. I'd encourage people to make up their own minds based 
on facts and not one sided statements like the one below. Believe it or 
not, someone can disagree with how Apple does something without being 
labeled an Android fan boy.

I know there is more malware on Android then there is on Apple, but 
numbers and statistics can be deceiving. There are more security 
vulnerabilities in IOS than Android, but this obviously doesn't make the 
Apple ecosystem less secure. Just because sweeps of the Play Store 
reveals more malware then what you'll see in the App Store doesn't mean 
that an Android user using some common sense will automatically be 
infected with malware and will have their phone taken over by some evil 
doer. Don't buy into the drama below.

Each platform has their own strengths and weaknesses. Security is 
obviously a strength of the Apple ecosystem, and it's perfectly OK for 
someone to take this into consideration when choosing an iPhone over 
another device. This doesn't mean that anyone who chooses another device 
or doesn't worry as much about security is a fan boy of another platform 
or has done anything wrong. Just because someone has a different set of 
priorities doesn't mean they're wrong.

For my part, I'm perfectly OK with the decisions I've made, and I don't 
get bent out of shape if someone makes a decision other than the one I 
made. I personally like choice, and I want as many accessible options 
out there as possible.

On 06/05/16 20:16, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security.
There is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there
affecting the Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there
are a few Android fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to
generate outraged comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I
don’t want to say that iOS is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly
have a secure phone over one which allows me and everybody else along
with it to do whatever I want with it.

I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it
more open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing
the secure “walled garden” concept.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so
long as their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is
a huge advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater
control, as you say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my
breath waiting for that though.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com
<mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app.

    *From:*'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

    *Sent:*Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM

    *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

    *Subject:*Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive
    save in your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you
    know? I guess it has its own software and that is what I do not
    really like. I wish Apple would allow us to take more control of our
    phones! :-)

    Carol P

    Sent from my iPhone using MBraille


    On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com
    <mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in
    option, is the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive
    that has the open in option, I would like to know about it.  I'm
    waiting for them to make this app accessible with voiceover.
    Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this will happen real soon!

    -----Original Message----- From: Terrie Terlau
    Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


    Hi all,
    I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first
    under the impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option
    so that material on the drive could be sent to another app. I
    learned (fortunately before I made a purchase) that this is not the
    case. We need to wait till the software for the drive that allows
    Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to option
    with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my
    computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
    Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the
    drive to play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives
    are good solutions now.
    Terrie Terlau

    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
    Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and
    will handle all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is
    rather small (I mean, suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a
    standard drive of some given size, $20 isn't so much that it makes
    it impossible).

    Chip


    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
    Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

     From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to
    upload the
    file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download
    the file
    from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in
    size.  This
    would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the
    transfer
    would be a lot faster in my case.

    -----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
    Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible
    apps
    since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very
    expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size
    and the
    limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited.
    Anyhow, as far
    as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with
    Dropbox or
    OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.

    Regards,
    Sieghard

    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
    Of Russ Kiehne
    Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

    The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for
    this flash
    drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech
    support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with
    voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I
    can say
    vood buy to itunes file sharing!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sieghard Weitzel
    Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via
    whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music
    on the
    drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that
    matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone.
    Ringtones is
    another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so
    they are
    available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your
    phone.
    The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in
    that
    they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can
    access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or
    OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the
    files are
    in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the
    drive which
    you then have to plug into your Lightning port.

    Regards,
    Sieghard

    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
    Of Chip Orange
    Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I
    devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may
    have been Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly
    this (with the help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

    Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

    Thanks,

    Chip


    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
    Of Russ Kiehne
    Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to
    transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to
    use than
    itunes 11 was.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Cristóbal
    Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
    iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even
    sighted
    folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i
    have to
    interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I
    can on
    the phone.
    I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at
    the very
    least.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
    Of Mary Otten
    Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

    I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if
    friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior
    representative
    that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only
    screen reader
    which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it
    literally
    has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of
    changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I
    suspect
    that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean
    their
    publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of
    iTunes and
    screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes
    works
    perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what
    about
    other screen readers? Do any work well?
    Mary

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