Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it’s expected behavior to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad when I am back in the office.
Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi John, > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email > and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In > iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the > iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email > thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix > it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release to know > avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a > friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not > regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as > outlined results in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, > and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore > because of this. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Feature request? Aren’t you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver >> with the two finger swipe gesture? >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. >>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, >>> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this >>> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just >>> as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be >>> better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from an iPad Air >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com >>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>> >>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT >>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email >>>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. >>>> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group >>>> as a feature request. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Apple Accessibility >>>> >>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, >>>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, >>>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day >>>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover >>>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be >>>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. >>>>> Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug >>>>> reports during the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said >>>>> that, here are some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix >>>>> at last, so that I don't akeep having to reject the update. >>>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever >>>>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't >>>>> work in the beta. >>>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to >>>>> read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). >>>>> 3) Turn on voice over. >>>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or >>>>> down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as >>>>> big of a failure. >>>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. >>>>> If down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, >>>>> everything but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the >>>>> iPad was smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, >>>>> it seems we're going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on >>>>> anything but a version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any version, if flicking >>>>> down, it will read from the cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 >>>>> words, and the cursor was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 >>>>> words. If you flicked up with 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other >>>>> words, it only read the text of the message, not the controls. And I know >>>>> that this is not a design, as the phone would also be doing it in that >>>>> case, and since it doesn't, that leaves me to believe that this is a >>>>> bug. 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