I have an iPad Air 2. I like the idea of what Apple did with the mail in OS10, but the execution is weird. I miss the two-finger swipe up for reading. Is it possible that it is gone because of the way the messages are threaded? Also, When I open a message it will start reading, but stop when it gets to a break. Then I have to find the beginning of the message and do a two-finger swipe down. Reading mail on my iPad is definitely not comfortable and takes more time.
Also, a lot of times when I open a thread focus goes to the last message in the thread instead of the first. For instance, if a thread has 12 messages, I will hear message "12 of 12. Instead of "1 of 12." So I either have to swipe back through the messages to get to the top or go to the status bar and do a two-finger double tap. Again more time consumption. Yes, I do need to send a note to Apple Accessibility. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 I've reported this iOS10 bug with every beta release. I no longer read mail on my iPad because of it. On 11/1/16, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi John, > Please do try it, as we say, IOS10 broke the expected feature. > > > > Sent from a Braille Sense > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:08 pm > Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading > email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > >> >> >> Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it's expected >> behavior to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad >> when I am back in the office. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi John, >> > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open >> > an email and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the >> > message is red.. In iOS 10, including with the beta before the >> > final release, the result for the iPhone is the same. The result >> > for the iPad is as described in the email thatRajmund sent. This is >> > clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix it as a bug, >> > not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this >> > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release >> > to know avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own >> > mini two, a friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend >> > and my husband are not regular voiceover users, but turning on >> > voiceover and doing the steps as outlined results in the behavior >> > described. This should be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix >> > it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore because of this. >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> >> Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of >> >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture? >> >> >> >> >> >> Take Care >> >> >> >> John D. Panarese >> >> Director >> >> Mac for the Blind >> >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >> >> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. >> >>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please >> >>> please, everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but >> >>> still. 4) this reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech >> >>> support, they were just as bad. And these make it out so that you >> >>> don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sent from an iPad Air >> >>> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> >> >>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com >> >>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>> >> >>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT >> >>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> >> >>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while >> >>>> reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello, >> >>>> >> >>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the >> >>>> behavior. We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the >> >>>> appropriate group as a feature request. >> >>>> >> >>>> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> >>>> Apple Accessibility >> >>>> >> >>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com >> >>>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi, >> >>>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any >> >>>>> sized iPad, (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) >> >>>>> for a voiceover user, email is reckless. IT's so horribly >> >>>>> screwed, that I had to spend a day downgrading, so that I only >> >>>>> have to put up with the bug, where voiceover dies miserably >> >>>>> after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be lost >> >>>>> since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. >> >>>>> Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple >> >>>>> of bug reports during the beta cycle, but it never got >> >>>>> rectified. Having said that, here are some, what I hope easy >> >>>>> enough steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that I don't akeep >> >>>>> having to reject the update. >> >>>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that >> >>>>> whoever reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say >> >>>>> that it doesn't work in the beta. >> >>>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually >> >>>>> something to read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio >> >>>>> demonstration). >> >>>>> 3) Turn on voice over. >> >>>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) >> >>>>> Flick up or down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, >> >>>>> they both are just as big of a failure. >> >>>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger >> >>>>> flick up. If down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in >> >>>>> other words, everything but the actual text of the message. On >> >>>>> the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was smart enough to filter what is needed >> >>>>> to be read. >> >>>>> Unfortunately, it seems we're going backwards, not forward. So >> >>>>> if you try an iPad, on anything but a version of IOS10, or any >> >>>>> iPhone, any version, if flicking down, it will read from the >> >>>>> cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 words, and the >> >>>>> cursor was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 words. If >> >>>>> you flicked up with 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other >> >>>>> words, it only read the text of the message, not the controls. >> >>>>> And I know that this is not a design, as the phone would also >> >>>>> be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, that leaves me >> >>>>> to believe that this is a bug. 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I will have to try it on >> my iPad when I am back in the office. >> >> >> >> Take Care >> >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind..com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi John, >> In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an >> email and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the >> message is red. In iOS 10, including with the beta before the final >> release, the result for the iPhone is the same. The result for the >> iPad is as described in the email thatRajmund sent. This is clear and >> simply a regression, and Apple should fix it as a bug, not market >> down as a feature request. I too reported on this regression during >> the beta cycle and after the first public release to know avail. I >> have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a >> friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband >> are not regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing >> the steps as outlined results in the behavior described. This should >> be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad >> for mail anymore because of this. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture? >> >> >> >> Take Care >> >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. >> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, >> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this >> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were >> just as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used >> to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from an iPad Air >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com> >> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT >> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading >> email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. >> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate >> group as a feature request. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> Apple Accessibility >> >> >> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized >> iPad, (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a >> voiceover user, email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I >> had to spend a day downgrading, so that I only have to put up with >> the bug, where voiceover dies miserably after sending an email. This >> has cost my iMessages to be lost since December of this year, and my >> entire facetime history. Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have >> also sent a couple of bug reports during the beta cycle, but it never >> got rectified. Having said that, here are some, what I hope easy >> enough steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that I don't akeep having to >> reject the update. >> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever >> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it >> doesn't work in the beta. >> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something >> to read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). >> 3) Turn on voice over. >> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up >> or down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are >> just as big of a failure. >> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick >> up. If down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, >> everything but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, >> the iPad was smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. >> Unfortunately, it seems we're going backwards, not forward. So if you >> try an iPad, on anything but a version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any >> version, if flicking down, it will read from the cursor to the end. >> So if the message had 20 words, and the cursor was on the 5th, it >> would read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked up with 2 fingers, >> it read all 20 words. In other words, it only read the text of the >> message, not the controls. And I know that this is not a design, as >> the phone would also be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, >> that leaves me to believe that this is a bug. Please let me know if you >> need any additional details. >> >> Sent from a Braille Sense >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list.. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list.. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - 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