Yup, But I have no bt keyboard connected to my phone, and I don’t even have bluetooth turned on. And the virtual keyboard was on screen during all instances this behavior occurred. To be fair, it’s only happened maybe 3 or 4 times. Generally, closing the music or audible app fixes the issue.
Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > This typically only happens if the virtual keyboard is not on the screen or > if the app you are trying to Dictate in doesn't support the 2-finger gesture > for this. I experience the same if I am, for example, in the Messages app > and want to Dictate a text message and my Bluetooth keyboard is connected, > it only works if I show the virtual keyboard and the Dictate button is > visible on the screen. This is something I have been meaning to write to > Apple about. I still also think that in general there should be a way to > make the virtual keyboard visible from the phone. Right now I have to go to > my Apple Wireless keyboard and press the top right button so if I am > elsewhere in the house it's annoying. I can, of course, bring up control > centre and turn Bluetooth off and that will also do it, but it still would > be nice if there was a button on the screen which would show the keyboard. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:48 AM > To: viphone > Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? > > Hi, > > I'm not sure about this. In IOS 7, it is certainly harder to hang up a call > with a 2 finger double tap on the first try. It seems to have gotten better > in the minor releases but, enough people who have been using IOS for years > have experienced the same behavior to not just write it off as 100% user > error. And overall, the 2 finger double tap has at times produced some > unexpected results. For example, I do a 2 finger double tap to start > dictation and my audible book starts playing. Or music. Now there is no > way this can be user error. lol. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:41 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yes, the initial complaints from the venting message in this thread were > quite obviously user error, not errors in the OS. Two-finger double tap, > with the fingers slightly spread always answers and ends phone calls. If it > does not end the phone call, this is always and exclusively because the > gesture was performed incorrectly. It is solely and completely the user's > responsibility to become fully proficient at performing the gestures > properly. Apple has a specific practice area set up exclusively to help each > of us learn, and perfect, our gestures. >> >> It is not Apple's fault or responsibility when we do not perform the > gesture properly. The fault / blame / responsibility falls squarely and > entirely on the shoulders of the person who has not properly learned the > gestures. >> >> Consider it this way. I cannot get Windows to copy a file. No matter how > many times I press control d, the file will not copy. Is it Microsoft's > fault that I am pressing control d rather than control c? Properly > performing gestures is exactly and precisely the same thing! >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:06, Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sure, if there is accessibility bug we, as any of a responsible consumer, > regardless either we are blind or not blind, should report. However, when it > is clearly the user fault, which, frankly speaking, you have 75% of the > chance with the case, and each of these user errors and faults got to report > to the provider, i bet, soon or later, Apple can choose to do their own > thing, or provide the lease accessibility tthat they can for the future > software and hardware. >>> I think, for new user, they need to realize that they deal with the new > platform, and they also should have the expectation that things will not be > the same compare to your old Nokia phone. >>> The sooner they realize this, the better experience they will get instead > of keep having the batel against themselves as to how Talks do this and > that, and how Voiceover do this and that. >>> You know, back in the old days, i can remember 90% of my family and > friends phone numbers, i used to be call as a walking phone book. But now, > since i use iPhone, i can't recall my phone number half of the time. Maybe i > should write to Apple for that, and asking them to stop the capability of > saving phone numbers and contact details. >>> >>> Joanne Chua >>> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. >>> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate >>> Send from my iPad >>> >>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:23, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't think this is what you're saying, but I think we need to be > careful here. Accessibility isn't something that were given as a charity and > something we should feel grateful for when someone provides it. > Accessibility is a right that we should be demanding. Of course, we should > be positive and cooperative when someone is working towards accessibility, > but we shouldn't just accept whatever comes our way. For example, We > shouldn't settle for Mobile Accessibility on Windows Phone 8 and stop > pressing Microsoft for greater access to Windows Phone 8 just because they > were kind enough to toss us this accessible scrap. >>>> >>>> It's also a fact that there are accessibility related bugs in IOS 7. > People should be bringing these up on list and reporting them to Apple. > There may be cases when one person's bug is another person's feature and one > person's reporting of an issue is whining to someone else. I don't think > accusations of whining and complaining should keep people from mentioning > perceived bugs and issues they're having with IOS. I too get frustrated with > what I see as people's whining, but I'm hesitant to say where that line > should be drawn, and I think we should be careful when we chastise someone > for being spoiled and whining. Like I said, we want people talking about the > issues they're having with their iPhones because as good as the Iphone is, > it could still be better and it could definitely get worse if Apple feels it > has to redirect resources away from accessibility and towards other critical > projects. >>>> >>>>> On 11/11/2013 02:04 AM, BBS wrote: >>>>> John and Sieghard, I agree with you guys completely. Like it says in my > Skype mood message, some blind people are so spoiled. And it's true, because > look at this thread. We should be lucky that Apple is giving us a pretty > good screen reader. I'm just tired of reading threads about people bitching > and complaining about Apple not living up to their standards. Even on the > Mac list we have people demanding that Apple do this and do that to make > Voiceover live up to their standards. I'm tired of this. I think if I find > another post about this thread, I'm gonna hit the delete button because that > is my friend of course. I'll just end off by saying if you don't like Apple, > sell your Mac and your iPhone and go to Windows and Android. Now that my > rant's over, Regina, I have an iPhone 4S and I'm not experiencing any wifi > issues. >>>>> >>>>> Shawn >>>>> Sent From My White Mac Book >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:17 PM, John Diakogeorgiou > <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that Sieghard >>>>>> put it well. I am very tired of listening to people complaining >>>>>> about their phones and the problems they are having. If you are so >>>>>> unhappy with Apple or your IPhone sell it and buy an android >>>>>> phone. For the vast majority of the blind people using this >>>>>> technology it works quite well. Yes their are bugs but they exist with > all technology products. >>>>>> At least with the IPhone we have the option to upgrade when a new >>>>>> version of their software comes out. We are not at the mercy of >>>>>> the phone carriers or manufacturers as to whether they will let us >>>>>> upgrade. All in all this technology works well. It has provided us >>>>>> the ability to do much more with our phones than we thought >>>>>> possible just a few short years ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/10/13, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time >>>>>>> tracking in Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, >>>>>>> many of the forms VO struggles with are also extremely difficult >>>>>>> on the computer. They have quite a bit to do with newer web >>>>>>> technologies. Other places where VO struggles appear to not move >>>>>>> the visual page on the display as one flicks through the form >>>>>>> using right flicks. When the button or edit box is not on the >>>>>>> visual screen, it will not activate with a double or even, triple >>>>>>> tap. However, there is a work-around that works for most websites >>>>>>> I have tried. Physically find the edit field and hold your finger >>>>>>> on it. This locks it on the visual display. Split-tap with >>>>>>> another finger and the edit box is locked in with the keyboard. >>>>>>> Because of rapid screen refreshes, it may be impossible to then >>>>>>> flick to the next edit field. In this case, locate the done >>>>>>> button above the o and p letters on the keyboard and double-tap >>>>>>> it. This releases the edit field and one can now locate the next edit > field. Follow the same procedure. When finished with the form, locate the > continue, submit, or otherly worded button and split-tap it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> again, as I previously stated, because of the newer web >>>>>>> technologies, many of these complex new web technologies are also >>>>>>> complicated, if not impossible, for computer-based screen readers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In Apple's favour, I have been able to access some forms on my >>>>>>> iPhone using the above procedure, which people on certain lists >>>>>>> have stated that Jaws cannot access on Windows and IE 10. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for Talks and Nokia, the person can always go to the newest >>>>>>> Windows Mobile phone and get the latest Mobile Speak for it. This >>>>>>> is a specifically written app with six features in it. Nothing >>>>>>> else can be accessed on the phone, so it will be very similar to the > old Nokia with Talks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2013, at 10:13, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is my summary of this entire thread: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a > fourth: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable 2. He can't tap on a >>>>>>>> phone number in a text message or email to dial it or save it to >>>>>>>> contacts 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >>>>>>>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible >>>>>>>> Apple is in general because they make such expensive and >>>>>>>> terrible devices which don't work, where people are forced to >>>>>>>> upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally accessibility is terrible >>>>>>>> and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a number of ways. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a >>>>>>>> very general way that Apple should give people the option to say >>>>>>>> if they wanted a new iOS to download automatically or not. At >>>>>>>> first I didn't see his point, but he argued this point well and >>>>>>>> I agree there should be such an option. >>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>> this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody >>>>>>>> to upgrade to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it >>>>>>>> takes up space on your phone, but you do not have to install it >>>>>>>> and I'll challenge anybody who says that iOS 7 magically >>>>>>>> installed on their phone without them doing anything or twice >>>>>>>> agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the >>>>>>>> automatic downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain >>>>>>>> in any way because at that point if they upgrade it is entirely >>>>>>>> their choice. It's already their choice, but let's say somebody >>>>>>>> has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to free up that space so >>>>>>>> they install it, that is just a little big of pressure there >>>>>>>> even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for >>>>>>>> getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, as to the 4 items above: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Hanging up calls is unreliable I actually find the 2-finger >>>>>>>> double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is just my opinion. I >>>>>>>> think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at least as >>>>>>>> well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS >>>>>>>> 7 >>>>>>>> was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about >>>>>>>> or mentioned a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up. >>>>>>>> There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works >>>>>>>> 100% and that is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really >>>>>>>> not hard to find as it's right there about the ome Key and to >>>>>>>> double tap it. >>>>>>>> As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a >>>>>>>> call was hung up or is still connected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to >>>>>>>> dial it or save it to contacts This works flawlessly for me and >>>>>>>> judging by what others wrote also for them. >>>>>>>> A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to >>>>>>>> call it, a double tap and hold brings up the options to call, >>>>>>>> add to contacts etc. >>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>> really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who >>>>>>>> I think was the one who posted that all of this didn't work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >>>>>>>> This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on >>>>>>>> it since I don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have >>>>>>>> done a few Google searches andwas able to type in a search term >>>>>>>> just find, the same on the Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy >>>>>>>> then I sure hope those who find this so horrible have written to >>>>>>>> Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I talk to somebody >>>>>>>> about politics and they start a big rant about the government I >>>>>>>> usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More than >>>>>>>> once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually >>>>>>>> tell them that they might as well shut up then because if they >>>>>>>> don't participate in electing the government then they have no >>>>>>>> right to complain. I am not saying Avnish hasn't written to >>>>>>>> Apple to explain places where encounters problems, but I see a >>>>>>>> lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes the >>>>>>>> time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com >>>>>>>> to make sure they know about the issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >>>>>>>> Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been >>>>>>>> gone for some time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its >>>>>>>> best can do what the iPhone can do or even get close to the >>>>>>>> level of accessibility iOs offers. It's of course easier to >>>>>>>> offer accessibility for a device which has only half the >>>>>>>> features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows >>>>>>>> Smartphone with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste >>>>>>>> of time. Apps were almost non-existent and I wore out the >>>>>>>> battery cover on my phone because I had to open it up so often >>>>>>>> to take the battery out when it crashed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 >>>>>>>> years than all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet >>>>>>>> here people are complaining about the horrible accessibility and >>>>>>>> how buying an expensive phone apparently gives them the right to >>>>>>>> have perfect accessibility and everything else. Next thing I'm >>>>>>>> sure people thing Apple is responsible for them being blind to >>>>>>>> begin with. But of course Apple, the most successful tech >>>>>>>> company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, >>>>>>>> why not by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's >>>>>>>> very tiring. I also don't think this attitude will motivate >>>>>>>> Apple do do better. Constructive and detailed reporting of bugs, >>>>>>>> maybe I should say "real bugs" not user error bugs and well >>>>>>>> thought-out suggestions for improvements will eventually make >>>>>>>> things better, I'm sure the accessibility team is not twittling >>>>>>>> their thumbs but instead are working on fixing reported bugs and >>>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > "VIPhone" >>>>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>>>>>>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>>>>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More 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