Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread.
The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time tracking in
Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, many of the forms VO
struggles with are also extremely difficult on the computer. They have quite
a bit to do with newer web technologies. Other places where VO struggles
appear to not move the visual page on the display as one flicks through the
form using right flicks. When the button or edit box is not on the visual
screen, it will not activate with a double or even, triple tap. However,
there is a work-around that works for most websites I have tried. Physically
find the edit field and hold your finger on it. This locks it on the visual
display. Split-tap with another finger and the edit box is locked in with
the keyboard. Because of rapid screen refreshes, it may be impossible to
then flick to the next edit field. In this case, locate the done button
above the o and p letters on the keyboard and double-tap it. This releases
the edit field and one can now locate the next edit field. Follow the same
procedure. When finished with the form, locate the continue, submit, or
otherly worded button and split-tap it.
again, as I previously stated, because of the newer web technologies, many
of these complex new web technologies are also complicated, if not
impossible, for computer-based screen readers.
In Apple's favour, I have been able to access some forms on my iPhone using
the above procedure, which people on certain lists have stated that Jaws
cannot access on Windows and IE 10.
As for Talks and Nokia, the person can always go to the newest Windows
Mobile phone and get the latest Mobile Speak for it. This is a specifically
written app with six features in it. Nothing else can be accessed on the
phone, so it will be very similar to the old Nokia with Talks.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 11 Nov 2013, at 10:13, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
Hello,
Here is my summary of this entire thread:
The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth:
1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable
2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it
or
save it to contacts
3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.
Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is
in
general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't
work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally
accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a
number of ways.
As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very
general
way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new
iOS
to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he
argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option.
However,
this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to
upgrade
to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your
phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who
says
that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything
or
twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen.
If
Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic
downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because
at
that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already
their
choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to
free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of
pressure
there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for
getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone.
Now, as to the 4 items above:
1. Hanging up calls is unreliable
I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is
just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at
least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS
7
was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or
mentioned
a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up.
There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and
that
is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's
right there about the ome Key and to double tap it.
As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was
hung
up or is still connected.
2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it
or
save it to contacts
This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for
them.
A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it,
a
double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc.
I'd
really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think
was
the one who posted that all of this didn't work.
3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I
don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google
searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on the
Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find this
so
horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I
talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the
government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More
than
once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell them
that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate in
electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not
saying
Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters
problems,
but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes
the
time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make
sure
they know about the issues.
4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.
Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for
some
time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the
iPhone
can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's
of
course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half the
features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows Smartphone
with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste of time. Apps were
almost non-existent and I wore out the battery cover on my phone because
I
had to open it up so often to take the battery out when it crashed.
Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 years
than
all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet here people are
complaining about the horrible accessibility and how buying an expensive
phone apparently gives them the right to have perfect accessibility and
everything else. Next thing I'm sure people thing Apple is responsible
for
them being blind to begin with. But of course Apple, the most successful
tech company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, why
not
by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's very tiring. I
also
don't think this attitude will motivate Apple do do better. Constructive
and
detailed reporting of bugs, maybe I should say "real bugs" not user error
bugs and well thought-out suggestions for improvements will eventually
make
things better, I'm sure the accessibility team is not twittling their
thumbs
but instead are working on fixing reported bugs and issues.
Regards,
Sieghard
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