That and one can always try their hand at all the other VI friendly mobile operating systems out there like Windows mobile phone, Firefox OS, Blackberry and so on.... Oh wait, that's right. Those other OS's aren't even anywhere close in regards to accessibility when compared to what Apple's done in the past few years. An argument may be made for the latest and greatest Android, but for my money, I'm still more than happy to work within the iOS ecosystem. Feature phones? No thanks, I'll pass on those devices as well.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? I think that Sieghard put it well. I am very tired of listening to people complaining about their phones and the problems they are having. If you are so unhappy with Apple or your IPhone sell it and buy an android phone. For the vast majority of the blind people using this technology it works quite well. Yes their are bugs but they exist with all technology products. At least with the IPhone we have the option to upgrade when a new version of their software comes out. We are not at the mercy of the phone carriers or manufacturers as to whether they will let us upgrade. All in all this technology works well. It has provided us the ability to do much more with our phones than we thought possible just a few short years ago. On 11/10/13, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread. > > The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time tracking in > Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, many of the forms VO > struggles with are also extremely difficult on the computer. They have quite > a bit to do with newer web technologies. Other places where VO struggles > appear to not move the visual page on the display as one flicks through the > form using right flicks. When the button or edit box is not on the visual > screen, it will not activate with a double or even, triple tap. However, > there is a work-around that works for most websites I have tried. Physically > find the edit field and hold your finger on it. This locks it on the visual > display. Split-tap with another finger and the edit box is locked in with > the keyboard. Because of rapid screen refreshes, it may be impossible to > then flick to the next edit field. In this case, locate the done button > above the o and p letters on the keyboard and double-tap it. This releases > the edit field and one can now locate the next edit field. Follow the same > procedure. When finished with the form, locate the continue, submit, or > otherly worded button and split-tap it. > > again, as I previously stated, because of the newer web technologies, many > of these complex new web technologies are also complicated, if not > impossible, for computer-based screen readers. > > In Apple's favour, I have been able to access some forms on my iPhone using > the above procedure, which people on certain lists have stated that Jaws > cannot access on Windows and IE 10. > > As for Talks and Nokia, the person can always go to the newest Windows > Mobile phone and get the latest Mobile Speak for it. This is a specifically > written app with six features in it. Nothing else can be accessed on the > phone, so it will be very similar to the old Nokia with Talks. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 11 Nov 2013, at 10:13, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Here is my summary of this entire thread: >> >> The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth: >> >> 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable >> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it >> or >> save it to contacts >> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >> >> Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is >> in >> general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't >> work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally >> accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a >> number of ways. >> >> As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very >> general >> way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new >> iOS >> to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he >> argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. >> However, >> this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to >> upgrade >> to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your >> phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who >> says >> that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything >> or >> twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen. >> If >> Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic >> downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because >> at >> that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already >> their >> choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to >> free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of >> pressure >> there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for >> getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone. >> >> Now, as to the 4 items above: >> >> 1. Hanging up calls is unreliable >> I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is >> just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at >> least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS >> 7 >> was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or >> mentioned >> a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up. >> There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and >> that >> is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's >> right there about the ome Key and to double tap it. >> As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was >> hung >> up or is still connected. >> >> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it >> or >> save it to contacts >> This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for >> them. >> A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it, >> a >> double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc. >> I'd >> really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think >> was >> the one who posted that all of this didn't work. >> >> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >> This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I >> don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google >> searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on the >> Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find this >> so >> horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I >> talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the >> government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More >> than >> once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell them >> that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate in >> electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not >> saying >> Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters >> problems, >> but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes >> the >> time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make >> sure >> they know about the issues. >> >> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >> Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for >> some >> time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the >> iPhone >> can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's >> of >> course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half the >> features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows Smartphone >> with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste of time. Apps were >> almost non-existent and I wore out the battery cover on my phone because >> I >> had to open it up so often to take the battery out when it crashed. >> >> Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 years >> than >> all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet here people are >> complaining about the horrible accessibility and how buying an expensive >> phone apparently gives them the right to have perfect accessibility and >> everything else. Next thing I'm sure people thing Apple is responsible >> for >> them being blind to begin with. But of course Apple, the most successful >> tech company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, why >> not >> by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's very tiring. I >> also >> don't think this attitude will motivate Apple do do better. Constructive >> and >> detailed reporting of bugs, maybe I should say "real bugs" not user error >> bugs and well thought-out suggestions for improvements will eventually >> make >> things better, I'm sure the accessibility team is not twittling their >> thumbs >> but instead are working on fixing reported bugs and issues. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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