Jones, We can only hope to get honorable mention at best; I am not worried about reputation or remuneration other than savings due to free energy. I am resigned to let the mainstream take the ball and run with it, Without a big name to command respect ZPF will be forever shouted down - I am still answering critics that throw Parks 1991 comments at me and absolutely insist on centering the arguments around Mills sub ground state like all the other players and theories don't even exist. They stop just short of name calling. Why Mills evokes such hatred is beyond me but I have to go out of my way every time I mention his results to say the sub ground state was a wrong interpretation or I immediately get nasty comments. Its' like waving a red flag! His mistake wasn't really all that big or surprising given the data he was observing and the date of his research, It was before the Italians had even introduced the idea that an equivalence could exist in a Casimir cavity or that a Casimir cavity and catalyst might be related, Anybody would have assumed from the equations that the radius must be changing because things like time and planks constant can only change relativistically and there wasn't sure any event horizon around . Best Regards Fran
________________________________ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier Fran, You might be interested in this alternative or reinforcing explanation for finding a gateway to "free energy" from the mainstream copycats and plagiarists at PhysOrg.com "Could Exotic Matter Provide an Infinite Source of Energy?" September 15th, 2009 By Lisa Zyga The best thing about this piece is a cool image which is the cover of the October 1920 issue of Popular Science magazine, painted by Norman Rockwell - depicting an inventor working on a perpetual motion machine. (PhysOrg.com) -- Generally, scientists prefer to avoid the concept of perpetual motion. The idea of a machine that could produce movement that goes on forever, and using that movement to generate an endless stream of energy, is usually considered more science fiction than science. But recently, physicist Pavel Ivanov has investigated previous speculation that an exotic fluid with unusual properties could cause energy to flow continuously between different regions of space, resulting in a runaway transfer of energy. If an advanced civilization were able to construct a device to capture this energy, it might finally possess its own "perpetuum mobile" -- or perpetual motion. Ivanov, from both the University of Cambridge and the Lebedev Physical Institute in Moscow, has analyzed this possibility in a study accepted to Physics Letters B. The idea is that a one-dimensional exotic fluid, whose unique properties such as violating the weak energy condition in particle physics, leads to a scenario in which there is a light cone with regions of negative and positive total energies. Ivanov has calculated the equations of state which give a continuous energy transfer from the negative regions to the positive regions, resulting in what he calls "perpetuum mobile of the third kind." However, Ivanov conjectures that theories "plagued" by solutions involving continuous energy flows should be discarded as inherently unstable. END of quoted material My comment is that this "negative region of space" sounds all too much like Dirac's sea of negative energy, for it not to be called that from the git-go, and furthermore, this is all too similar to ZPE theories which are out there. This could all be a thinly disguised ploy by the "Ivory Tower" late-comers to try to usurp some of the prior art of us perp-mo's and assorted vorticians - now that we are on the verge of demonstrating something that they have been trying to convince the public is impossible. Shame on them ;-) From: Roarty, Francis X Jones, I don't believe in the hydrino definition regarding fractional ground states but Yes I do think "fast" or "relativistic" hydrogen is involved at a fundamental level in all of LENR. Below is a snip from Wikipedia on Balmer series visible light spectrum from hydrogen. I suspect the gradient of the equivalence boundary as suggested by Di Fiore et all is shifting the visible spectrum in the same way vacuum fluctuations are supposed to be upconverted. If you can accept that upconversion is relativistic and not just displacing long flux in favor of short then space time itself twists inside the cavity taking EVERY spectrum with it from our perspective. Why darker visible instead of lighter is beyond my skill set but perhaps there is a sub visible line that becomes dominant and exhibits itself as Black Light plasma? Best Regards Fran [Snip from Wikipedia] The visible spectrum of light from hydrogen displays four wavelengths, 410 nm, 434 nm, 486 nm, and 656 nm, that reflect emissions of photons by electrons in excited states transitioning to the quantum level described by the principal quantum number n equals 2.[1] There are also a number of ultraviolet Balmer lines with wavelengths shorter than 400 nm. [end snip] -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier The big surprise, if one believes that a version of the Mills hydrino/deuterino is involved at a fundamental level in all of LENR, would be the appearance of EUV. Unfortunately this radiation spectrum is "universally absorbed" by every element in the periodic table, so you would need to somehow incorporate the detector into the electrode itself. Mills uses a pinhole detector. -----Original Message----- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax If we are looking at an active surface, what will we see in the visible and near-IR?