At 01:19 PM 12/11/2009, Horace Heffner wrote:

On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
TSC would be neutrally charged, because it includes the electrons
-- Heffner note! -- and so it could fuse with Other Stuff,
occasionally.

I say nonsense to the above because electrons in a nucleus are not
part of Takahashi's concept. In fact, he strongly argues against any
such possibility.

They aren't in a "nucleus." They are in the Condensate, though, if I'm correct.

If you are talking about just plain old atomic hydrogen, for which
there is little evidence it spontaneously fuses, I recommend looking
into lattice sizes and the size of atomic hydrogen and molecular
hydrogen to see just how well 4 hydrogen atoms fit into a tetrahedral
space.

Very poorly. That's why the reaction is very rare.

 Fitting just an H2 molecule into a tetrahedral space requires
significant lattice expansion.

Yup. For any reasonable rate of occurrence. Now if you have a D2 molecule (same size) that energetically is inserted into the lattice, you have stress. We know that this stress does not disrupt the lattice, rather, what normally happens is that the molecule dissociates, the stress rips apart the molecule. But this is a process and might take a certain time. We also know that in palladium deuteride, packing over 1.0 is possible, and occurs with some frequency under some conditions. So we would get some level of two deuterons per lattice space, that's certain. It's also hard on the lattice, tends to disrupt it, if I'm correct. But the disruption takes time.

And then what happens when this occurs from two orthagonal directions at once? Could there be a transient state where there were four deuterons? Obviously Takahashi considers this possible, and that seems reasonable to me. But to be sure will require much more study of the behavior of deuterium (and hydrogen, about the same) in the palladium lattice, and, in particular, of the frequency with which these unusual configurations actually occur.

We may be seeing, with CF, a direct measure of the frequency of four deuterons in a single lattice position. That is the significance of the math Takahashi has done, says this non-mathematician who would love to see an analysis of Takahashi's work by someone who can actually follow it and criticize it as math.

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