I just came upon Rossi at the blog of my friend Steve Krivit and his variant is like yours. The situation is interesting, how would you define it in a septoe?
I would say: "It was a triumph, real not ideal" Real has many meanings, not all very positive. Peter On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Dear Peter, > > > > There must be a language problem – no offense was intended. > > > > The point is that the genesis of Rossi’s work did not have any remote > connection to Focardi, nor even to LENR. > > > > LENR was NOT Rossi’s field of interest, until recently. > > > > This began with a DARPA grant for an improved thermoelectric generator. > > > > Rossi, along with LTI, and researchers at the University of New Hampshire > built a model that seemed to be a 400% improvement over anything else ever > made. It used nano-nickel as the main component. The material turned out to > be extremely energetic, and two lab fires resulted. The program was > abandoned. But not the material! > > > > There was zero connection to the Italian LENR program until this point in > time, about 4 years ago - and all of the advances came later with one > further huge coincidence – it was all at about the same time as the > Arata/Zhang experiments were making a major impact in the science News. > > > > Rossi is no fool. He can add 2+2 and get four. He immediately saw the > connection, and then soon after found out about the Italian efforts, going > back to the early 1990s. This is when it all came together with Focardi. > > > > The 800 pound gorilla in the closet is LTI. Essentially they will claim to > own all rights to the invention, and since it was done through DARPA, who > knows where it will end up? > > > > Jones > > > > > > *From:* Peter Gluck > > > > Dear Jones, > > > > I like your scenario -if I understand correctly- Rossi is a real inventor > who succeeded to transform a non-, or badly working device in this fine, > functional generator? OK, do you have real information about that? > > > > However I would ask you to explain or to retract what you have said re > "*general > argument with extraneous disinformation about Focardi and the Italians*" > This sound very offending and I do not see any justification for it. > > > > Better let's discuss about patents, if... > > Peter > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > > *From:* Peter Gluck > > > > > have you read all the patents and papers, and have you an idea what > means to replicate the results of 15 years of hard work, with so many > critical parameters? > > > > I have certainly read everything in the public record, and much that is not > public. And with all due respect, let me suggest that your comments lead to > a conclusion that you are misinformed on the precise history of this present > effort, Peter. > > > > This is NOT about Focardi in any relevant way. Of course, he would like to > take as much credit as others will give him, why not? > > > > The effort that led to the presentation is barely three years old. > > > > I have nothing against anyone being a cheerleader for the LENR field – and > you are quite good at that – keep up the good work, but please do not cloud > the general argument with extraneous disinformation about Focardi and the > Italians. The motivation for including them now is not what you think. > > > > Certainly Focardi and the others have been at similar work for a long time, > over 15 years in fact, and with limited success and terrible > reproducibility. That failure to reproduce is what has drawn them to Rossi, > who is a complete newcomer, but did stumble on two key things and they are > probably the same two of Arata – nickel nanopowder and a spillover catalyst. > Arata used palladium since deuterium only works with palladium. Rossi has > found something that works equally well with hydrogen. It is that simple. > > > > Rossi has only recently got involved - and understanding how he got > involved – with LTI and DARPA and as an outgrowth of the TEG project is > absolutely critical to understanding the present situation. > > > > Surely, you have noticed that this is not an equal effort, and that Focardi > is not, and never was, a full partner in Rossi’s project. His contribution > is merely lending the credibility of his name to the real inventor. > > > > Jones > > > > > > > > > > >
