If the history of natural disasters has taught us anything, its that the inherent powers that get unleashed over this planet make even the most powerful human inventions look like a pitiful whimper. The energy released just by the lateral blast of Mount St. Helens was estimated at 24 megatons thermal energy (7 by blast, rest through release of heat) (http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2000/fs036-00). The landslide moved 3.7 billion cubic yards of material, and destroyed 4 billion board feet of timber all in a matter of MINUTES; and Mt. Saint Helens was a PUNY eruption when looking at historical volcanic evidence
The following discovery was reported in Nature magazine, July 26th: ------------------ CNN -British researchers say they've discovered a massive rift valley beneath the Antarctic ice sheet that rivals the Grand Canyon in depth and is contributing to ice loss on the continent. If you stripped away all of the ice here today, youd see a feature every bit as dramatic as the huge rift valleys you see in Africa and in size as significant as the Grand Canyon," the lead researcher, Robert Bingham, a glaciologist at the University of Aberdeen, said in a press release. Fausto Ferraccioli, Bingham's co-author and geophysicist from British Antarctic Survey, said the valley allows warmer ocean waters to contact glacial ice, contributing to the melting seen on the continent. What this study shows is that this ancient rift basin, and the others discovered under the ice that connect to the warming ocean, can influence contemporary ice flow and may exacerbate ice losses by steering coastal changes further inland, Ferraccioli said. The work of the researchers was reported this week in the journal Nature. The valley is in West Antarctica, which is losing ice faster than other parts of the continent, the researchers say. ---------------------- In addition, here on the west coast of America, magma chambers have been creeping towards the surface for decades, and in some areas like Mammoth Lakes, the releases of so much carbon monoxide and sulfur dioxide gas from that magma have killed large areas of forest. The concentrations of gasses were so high in one campground, that the public outhouses were closed because there was some risk of becoming unconscious if you were in that enclosed space too long. I dont know how much, but when magma chambers go from tens of kilometers in depth to a few kilometers, they have to increase the land surface temperatures significantly. And what about the rate of heat entering the oceans from hydrothermal vents and magma chambers approaching the ocean floor??? The monitoring stations that various science organizations have put all over the planets oceans have not been operating long enough, and have a limited sensitivity to determine just how consistent the hydrothermal vents have been over a much longer timeframe. Magma plumes in the mantle and crust are continually moving (over hundreds of years) and are more likely the cause of the temperature changes which might be causing the periodic occurrences of ice ages. IMHO, there are so many unknowns, and the magnitude of the energies at work inside and above this planet are such that trying to make any *definitive* conclusions as to why average sea or atmospheric temps might be changing, is just a best guess at this point And any attempts by humans to stabilize the ocean temps as ChemE suggests, although admirable, is probably insignificant compared to the inherent processes happening in the planet -Mark From: Chemical Engineer [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides It seems to me that if LENR is real and scalable and we have approx 50 years to turn things around, some new industries that should arise, based upon sound scientific data are: 1) Cooling of oceans to stable, pre-industrial temperatures using evaporative cooling, etc requiring lots of LENR pumping HP, which is now virtually free 2) Removal of moisture from atmosphere using large compressors & condensors for use in irrigation/drinking also requiring lots of LENR HP 3) Removal & sequestration of CO2 from atmosphere either as limestone deep in the ocean or under land requiring lots of LENR HP And big ass LENR pumps for all the cities to keep the water out until 1-3 are effective. Obama can just instigate an ocean front tax for property owners to pay for the projects... With the large decrease in manufacturing costs from LENR, industry can now afford to foot the tab for atmospheric cleanup. This will preserve world's current investment in ocean front property and lead to much less death and destruction caused from relocating billions of people. It will also keep all of us engineers busy... On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: I regret the tremendous waste of money which will occur all over the world that sea level rise is going to cause. There is a thousand trillion dollar loss just in valuable east coast US real estate value and infrastructure. We should stop dumping good money after bad into these soon to be flooded areas. The coming flood overhangs all national and local decision making or at least it should. The US government should think about relocating Washington DC to higher ground rather than dumping more improvements into that doomed town. I think Harrisburg PA is the right elevation at 450 feet above sea level for the new capital. All the present land owners will have to be moved to somewhere else because their houses and farms will be granted over to the US government for the new location of the transplanted new capital through emanate domain. Eminent domain in the US is the compulsory purchase for federal or state government use. It is an action of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent. Eminent domain will need to take place well into the present mid-west to make room for the new coast line of the American nation. All US citizens will be affected except some grain farmers in Kansas. Stop wasting money to improve New York City infrastructure like the 10 billion dollar water system improvement, the 20 billion dollar subway extension, and the 100 billon dollar world trade center rebuild. That entire infrastructure will soon be under 300 feet of sea water. This is true for all the cities on the east and west coasts and the gulf coasts. We know the flood is coming; it is no surprise, so lets start making plans to adapt to it. Cheers: Axil On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: Indeed it is getting silly.... Silly how people jam their beliefs of AGW down your throat. There is NO AGW. But even if there was, as many people said here, I'd rather have it warmer than colder. Colder weather is more an environmental catastrophe than weather that is warmer a few degrees. Once again, this is not about environmentalism per se. This is an occultic pantheistic movement, nothing more than the worship of Mother Earth. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Walker <mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides Le Jul 30, 2012 à 12:36 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> a écrit : Reality check people. Environmentalism and Global Warming hoopla is not about catastrophe or overpopulation or unsustainability. It's about a growing pantheistic religion movement. A movement that would have you worship rocks and trees and rivers and animals. Personally, I find this attempt to browbeat me into this pantheistic movement quite offensive. And that is exactly what Global Warming Extremist are trying to do. You've mischaracterized the legitimate concern of many that there will be negative repercussions of climate change as their browbeating you into submitting to pantheism. This is getting silly. Eric
