Very strange behavior indeed. The thing that amazes me is the rapidity with which the heat seems to be generated. It appears as though many thousands of watts of power would be required to boil water this fast. We could be a bit confused by the bubbles since they might just be cavitation due to ultrasonic drive, but they also might be true boiling. Has anyone had a close look at any of these types of experiments to uncover deception?
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 1:51 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Steven Jones: Excess heat is real, but probably not nuclear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTV85J2QHj0&feature=plcp contrast this one with theThrapp video as it is a bit more believable – there are differences andsimilarities – however, can there be any doubt that geometry andresonance are involved as much, or more so than Ohmic heating or directwater-splitting? Dave, You are exactly right – the video is suspicious, and thatsuspicion is not mitigated by the inventor’s demeanor, nor the fact thathe is supposedly a Christian minister. But I prefer this Thrapp scenario - tothe Rossi’s credentials anytime. The biggest problem with Thrapp/Davey is that here we are 4 yearslater and there is no commercial unit, BUT this situation is little differentto Rossi’s delay - since AR claimed to be in full production over a yearago. I would not even have mentioned Thrapp - had not the Davey device,with its undeniable similarity, been investigated by Steven Jones with whatappear to be positive results. It there is anything to the claim of excess heat, SJ will probablyfind it. From:David Roberson Does this device operate with standard tap water that hasimpurities? The mention of an RF resonator in the video has interestingimplications if this device actually works. The spherical shape of theunit suggests that it would have resonances at radio frequencies within andsome might be closely coupled to the water molecules or atoms to which they arecomposed. The heating energy must arise from some mechanism since thedevice appears to warm up at a rate that far exceeds the possible output powerof the 9 volt battery. My opinion is that there is some kind of trick being displayedhere although there is no proof. Perhaps the 'water' is not really waterbut some mixture that self heats when triggered by the battery input. Theinvention needs to be tested with fresh water applied and controlled by theexperimenter without interference of the inventor. This test should berun several times in a row to ensure that the metal enclosure does notcontribute to the heating as well. I would further carefully measure thetime required to heat the fresh tap water during each warm up period to ensurethat this is the same while using fresh batteries for each run. One can never be positive that a demonstration such as this is nota magic trick since there are many ways to confuse people. I guess thatRossi has determined that the only way to prove his ECAT to the world is tosell them and he might be correct is that assumption. This device mightbe another case where that concept is valid. Dave -----OriginalMessage----- From: Jones Beene Actually, I think that this is one of the better slide presentations out there this year - in the entire field - despite a few controversial statements and being in need of massive editing. Hats off to Steven Jones to support the Davey device, even though that inventor was nutty - and the prior claims were heavy on anecdote. Both the Davey and Timothy Thrapp spherical hot water heaters have been demonstrated to be way overunity, and operate on what could be a similar principal, and also are the product of inventors who are their own worst enemies. Both tried to hide the role of nickel alloys, but there is also a geometry factor is the sphere or hemisphere, along with recombination (chemical asymmetry). Here is a Thrapp video, and you can probably see note that this inventor suffers from the same Messiah complex as Joseph Newman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM
