Jones and Robin are acceptable to me, though Terry seems to involve himself in too much off-topic noise. If we can get an agreement from Jed and SVJ to honor the decision of Mark, Jones and Robin, that would be acceptable to me.
Their job would be to monitor and moderate all off-topic posts as well as insults. This will use their own judgement to decide what constitutes excessive off-topic posts. They will decide which opinion is insulting to another. Is this acceptable to Jed, SVJ, Lomax, Rocha and others? Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. What may be best is for several of us to discuss/decide off-list and present our recommendation to Bill; perhaps myself, Terry, Jones and Robin. I would include Horace as well, but he has more serious challenges in his life at the moment. or we can ask Bill to give us that authority should he not be able to respond within a reasonable time. That said, let me make a few comments that are directed to BOTH sides of the issue: We really shouldn't need any such moderation. What really irks me is that seeming adults still haven't learned that one should respect another person's religious beliefs; and that ALL major religions have their tarnished 'history' that the vast majority of followers would prefer didn't happen. but history is history and no arguing will change that. Learn from the stories of human failings that are in all decent religious texts and move on. In addition, ALL major religions have their share of 'fanatics and radical elements' that do NOT represent the majority. This has been the case for thousands of years, and so long as there are humans involved, this is NOT going to change any time soon - endless debate is a waste of time and disrespectful to the rest of the Collective. Same goes for politics as well. Why do you think this forum has lasted for over 15 years??? Why do the same people stick with it for that long??? It should be a lesson to all those who have only been here for a few years, that most of the long-time regulars have *NOT* engaged in the recent useless waste of bandwidth. get the hint??? And some *minor* amount of [OT] postings are not bad. the usual crowd tends to use them sparingly for a bit of humor and diversion when technical events are in a lull. All work and no play makes for a less enjoyable read and that too can lead to some good people leaving the Collective. -Mark Iverson From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. Mark, would you be willing to act as an impartial moderator of this forum. I have found your objectivity and integrity to be acceptable and I'm sure others do so as well. Can we all agree to abide by Mark's ruling if he accepts the position? You would have to moderate all posts including all off-topic posts, that in your judgement is excessive and clearly off-topic. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:41 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. I too, as one who has been on and off of Vortex over ten years, and consistently for the last 4 years, tire of this ridiculous banter between JoJo and Abd. Both of you have lost sight of the main purpose of this forum, and I will be emailing Bill Beaty to ban BOTH of you for a short time. GROW UP! I've also noticed that most of the ol' timers have refrained from getting involved because they know how useless these kinds of discussions are. NONE of either JJ's or Abd's postings have changed my views one way or the other, and I seriously doubt if it has changed anyone else's either in any significant way. this has got to be the worst use of this forum that I have ever seen, and BOTH are responsible; and a few others that just can't help but make snide remarks or try to psychoanalyze someone else. which is a major sign of immaturity and lack of self-awareness. I learned that lesson over 20 years ago... intelligence does not guarantee self-awareness. -Mark Iverson From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these issues with him in private? I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them over and over is beginning to wear on me. I have a hard time believing that you must personally defend Islam to this extent and did it occur to you that you are feeding fuel to the fire over and over again? I miss the good discussions that once were common on this site and it would not surprise me to see many leave if this continues at the present rate. Why not just let the insults pass and eventually they must end. At times such as this I look back fondly to the posts of Mary and Crude, at least they were related to the main subject and generally not directly offensive. This is at least the second time I have begged for a little civility on this list. -----Original Message----- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. Stewart and Rothwell don't realize the implications of leaving seriously offensive posts in the Vortex archive, without response. I am responding to only a few of Jojo's posts, he's been flooding the list. After promising to stop, he posted 20 times here yesterday, and 28 times today, carrying on quite as before. I responded seven times yesterday and seven today. (Direct responses to Jojo). My responses will naturally become rarer and shorter. Responding on VortexB-l is *useless.* The VortexB archive on Beatty's web site is *inaccessible.* I'm not engaged in a conversation with Jojo Jaro. That ended long ago. I'm in a conversation with *others*, most of whom are not now present. I would not bring this conversation here, it was brought here, insistently, and it's maintained here because, I assume, of the absence of Bill. If you really want to do something about that, contact him. I've tried and so have others apparently. So far, no response. I'm worried about him. At 08:52 PM 1/2/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote:>I agree 100%> >On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:>Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote:> >Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L.> > >I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be >googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless.> > >I have already filtered out Jojo. So why don't YOU take this >discussion to VortexB-L. Respond to him there, if you must. Or I >will filter out you, too.> >Enough is enough.> >- Jed
