At 03:06 AM 1/3/2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
What may be best is for several of us to
discuss/decide off-list and present our
recommendation to Bill; perhaps myself, Terry, Jones and Robin.
If you find out that he's okay, how about telling
us. Do you realize that others, long-time members
of this list, have attempted to contact him?
I would include Horace as well, but he has more
serious challenges in his life at the moment
or
we can ask Bill to give us that authority should
he not be able to respond within a reasonable time.
He could name additional moderators. That's the
easy fix if he can't attend to it all the time.
But, long term, unless this community is to die
if Bill becomes unavailable, we need additional owners.
That said, let me make a few comments that are
directed to BOTH sides of the issue:
We really shouldnt need any such moderation.
How many "sides" are there?
What really irks me is that seeming adults
still havent learned that one should respect
another persons religious beliefs;
Who doesn't respect the beliefs of others? Who
attacks them? Yes. There are some who have
expressed skepticism about religion here, and
that can be provocative. But it need not lead to
flame wars, unless someone truly goes on the
attack. Now, broken record here, read the subject header.
and that ALL major religions have their
tarnished history that the vast majority of
followers would prefer didnt happen
but
history is history and no arguing will change that.
Yes.
Learn from the stories of human failings that
are in all decent religious texts and move on.
Sure. Agreed as advisable.
In addition, ALL major religions have their
share of fanatics and radical elements that
do NOT represent the majority
This has been
the case for thousands of years, and so long as
there are humans involved, this is NOT going to
change any time soon endless debate is a
waste of time and disrespectful to the rest of
the Collective. Same goes for politics as well.
Yes, I've made the same point.
Why do you think this forum has lasted for over
15 years??? Why do the same people stick with
it for that long??? It should be a lesson to
all those who have only been here for a few
years, that most of the long-time regulars have
*NOT* engaged in the recent useless waste of bandwidth
get the hint???
I've only been here for 3.5 years. I write long
posts. I don't flood the list with off-topic
posts, on my own initiative, and I don't increase
the volume of such posts, I readily drop those
subjects, and often allow others the last word.
And some *minor* amount of [OT] postings are not bad
My opinion. I've been attacked for expressing it.
the usual crowd tends to use them sparingly for
a bit of humor and diversion when technical
events are in a lull. All work and no play
makes for a less enjoyable read and that too can
lead to some good people leaving the Collective
Agreed. Mark, I don't think you realize that I've
expressed this view many times, and have been *attacked* for it.
You are assuming a community of reasonable
adults. You have no clue how a community can
respond when someone is throoughly unreasonable,
unstable, unable to keep promises, and angry.
Really, you just wish the problem would go away,
and "if everyone would stop responding to insults
and provocations," why, everything would quiet
down and we can all go back to being a happy family.
It works, sometimes. Usually, in real families,
*it doesn't.* Not if there are deep problems with individuals. Long story.
-Mark Iverson
From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Mark, would you be willing to act as an
impartial moderator of this forum. I have found
your objectivity and integrity to be acceptable
and I'm sure others do so as well.
Can we all agree to abide by Mark's ruling if he accepts the position?
You would have to moderate all posts including
all off-topic posts, that in your judgement is
excessive and clearly off-topic.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:zeropo...@charter.net>MarkI-ZeroPoint
To: <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
I too, as one who has been on and off of Vortex
over ten years, and consistently for the last 4
years, tire of this ridiculous banter between
JoJo and Abd
Both of you have lost sight of the
main purpose of this forum, and I will be
emailing Bill Beaty to ban BOTH of you for a short time. GROW UP!
Ive also noticed that most of the ol timers
have refrained from getting involved because
they know how useless these kinds of discussions
are. NONE of either JJs or Abds postings have
changed my views one way or the other, and I
seriously doubt if it has changed anyone elses
either in any significant way
this has got to
be the worst use of this forum that I have ever
seen, and BOTH are responsible; and a few others
that just cant help but make snide remarks or
try to psychoanalyze someone else
which is a
major sign of immaturity and lack of
self-awareness. I learned that lesson over 20
years ago... intelligence does not guarantee self-awareness.
-Mark Iverson
From: David Roberson [<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:17 PM
To: <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these
issues with him in private? I find the titles
of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them
over and over is beginning to wear on me.
I have a hard time believing that you must
personally defend Islam to this extent and did
it occur to you that you are feeding fuel to the fire over and over again?
I miss the good discussions that once were
common on this site and it would not surprise me
to see many leave if this continues at the
present rate. Why not just let the insults pass and eventually they must end.
At times such as this I look back fondly to the
posts of Mary and Crude, at least they were
related to the main subject and generally not directly offensive.
This is at least the second time I have begged
for a little civility on this list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com>a...@lomaxdesign.com>
To: vortex-l
<<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>vortex-l@eskimo.com>;
vortex-l <<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Stewart and Rothwell don't realize the implications of leaving
seriously offensive posts in the Vortex archive, without response. I
am responding to only a few of Jojo's posts, he's been flooding the
list. After promising to stop, he posted 20 times here yesterday, and
28 times today, carrying on quite as before.
I responded seven times yesterday and seven today. (Direct responses
to Jojo). My responses will naturally become rarer and shorter.
Responding on VortexB-l is *useless.* The VortexB archive on Beatty's
web site is *inaccessible.*
I'm not engaged in a conversation with Jojo Jaro. That ended long
ago. I'm in a conversation with *others*, most of whom are not now
present. I would not bring this conversation here, it was brought
here, insistently, and it's maintained here because, I assume, of the
absence of Bill. If you really want to do something about that,
contact him. I've tried and so have others apparently. So far, no
response. I'm worried about him.
At 08:52 PM 1/2/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>I agree 100%
>
>On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com>a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote:
>
>Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L.
>
>
>I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be
>googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless.
>
>
>I have already filtered out Jojo. So why don't YOU take this
>discussion to VortexB-L. Respond to him there, if you must. Or I
>will filter out you, too.
>
>Enough is enough.
>
>- Jed
