I appreciate your decision Jojo. I look forward to a return to the good
science related discussions that we once shared.
May I make a couple of requests to the Vortex members that are totally
reasonable:
Lets all terminate any off topic posting that gets to be too long as it may not
be of much general interest to the group. I have been corrected to now
understand that this group is not concentrated upon LENR as such, but to
unusual scientific discoveries, topics, etc. I hope that politics in general
becomes far less dominate. The same can be said with respect to religious
postings that generate controversy.
As always, insults and personal attacks are not worthy of our discussion in
this quality group. Little can be gained by such behavior and I find it
offensive. We as a group have many shared talents and need to work together in
a fashion that enhances the whole. I realize that some positions held by
members tend to be considered too emotional and can generate heated exchanges
on occasions. This might happen, and when it does, please make a strong effort
to cool down before posting personal attacks upon those with which we disagree.
I do not wish to make any effort to censure free science related discussions so
please do not consider this letter to be of that nature. I merely wish to see
the Vortex return to its glory days(or what can be considered as such) and to
enjoy the benefits that come with sharing of knowledge.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 3:54 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Fair enough. I will abide by your suggestion.
In return, I want 2 things from you.
1. I need you to call for the termination of excessive off-topic posts. I
will leave it to your judgement what constitutes excessive off-topic posts.
2. I need you to call for the termination of insults and insulting words.
Once again, I will leave it to your judgement what constitutes an insult.
These two things are easy to discern.
If you agree to do these, I will agree to do what you ask. Remember, my
agreemnt to do this is contigent upon your agreement and good faith promise to
do these 2 things I ask.
My agreement starts the momemt you respond and agree to my proposal. That
would be the time I do as you ask.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Jojo, I do not have control of the postings that these guys produce. Most of
the time they submit excellent subject manner and on occasions it gets off
topic as you say. Recently, most of their postings seem to be acceptable and
pretty much on subject or related to LENR in some fashion.
You have hit a raw nerve with Abd and it is clear that he feels that every
post against his religion must be countered. It seems odd to me that he
seems so inclined, but maybe that is part of his belief and he is performing
an important duty in his mind. You should let him off the hook to be fair.
I know some disgusting things have been stated about your beliefs as well.
Those guilty of this type of attack should realize that they are not doing
anyone a service this way and the behavior should stop immediately.
I find that some off topic posts are educational and I would not be aware of
the subject unless someone like the two vortex members you list were to toss
them our way. On occasion I have felt that too much bandwidth was being
spent in this manner, but it usually clears up fairly soon. I recall seeking
termination of a couple of far off discussions in the past.
I think your best plan of action would be to leave Abd alone for a while and
cease posting the terribly offensive statements about his religion. If he
brings up these issues again without provocation then someone needs to go to
his location and pull the power plug of his computer. Either that or arrange
for him to seek professional care. So once that goes away, then why not
monitor the vortex for long lasting off topic postings that you find
offensive and let whoever posts them know about your dissatisfaction.
There was a time not long ago when the vortex was running smoothly and I
think that can be achieved again soon. We all need to have folks of the
various backgrounds and talents to consider our ideas. I recall you making
important contributions and hope to see more of the same after things settle
back to normal.
I assume that Jed and SVJ will not see this posting since they have blocked
anything that has your name within according to what they have written. They
are good guys and I value what they are contributing to the group. Please
give the vortex some time to clean itself up before you continue with the
offensive tittles and content. We might loose the reason that we subscribe
if many valued members flee.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
David, can you call for a moderation of the off-topic posts from others. If
the most blatant off-topic offenders would simply make a small promise to
moderate their incessant noise, that would be enough to satisfy the main
reason why I am posting off-topic posts here. Note, I am not referring to
off-topic posts that may be slightly relevant, I am talking about off-topic
posts that are clearly irrelevant. I am doing this to give Jed a dose of his
own medicine. I am just "gabbing with friends" here and "making up the rules
as I go".
How about it? This solution is certainly simpler and more straitforward than
starting another list or filtering everybody who responds to me.
I believe this proposal of mine is fair and equitable and good for the
community. How about it Jed and SVJ?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these issues with him in private? I
find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them over and
over is beginning to wear on me.
I have a hard time believing that you must personally defend Islam to this
extent and did it occur to you that you are feeding fuel to the fire over
and over again?
I miss the good discussions that once were common on this site and it would
not surprise me to see many leave if this continues at the present rate.
Why not just let the insults pass and eventually they must end.
At times such as this I look back fondly to the posts of Mary and Crude, at
least they were related to the main subject and generally not directly
offensive.
This is at least the second time I have begged for a little civility on
this list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Stewart and Rothwell don't realize the implications of leaving
seriously offensive posts in the Vortex archive, without response. I
am responding to only a few of Jojo's posts, he's been flooding the
list. After promising to stop, he posted 20 times here yesterday, and
28 times today, carrying on quite as before.
I responded seven times yesterday and seven today. (Direct responses
to Jojo). My responses will naturally become rarer and shorter.
Responding on VortexB-l is *useless.* The VortexB archive on Beatty's
web site is *inaccessible.*
I'm not engaged in a conversation with Jojo Jaro. That ended long
ago. I'm in a conversation with *others*, most of whom are not now
present. I would not bring this conversation here, it was brought
here, insistently, and it's maintained here because, I assume, of the
absence of Bill. If you really want to do something about that,
contact him. I've tried and so have others apparently. So far, no
response. I'm worried about him.
At 08:52 PM 1/2/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>I agree 100%
>
>On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote:
>
>Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L.
>
>
>I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be
>googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless.
>
>
>I have already filtered out Jojo. So why don't YOU take this
>discussion to VortexB-L. Respond to him there, if you must. Or I
>will filter out you, too.
>
>Enough is enough.
>
>- Jed
