DJ Cravens <[email protected]> wrote:

>  so are you saying that small self running devices are not useful as
> "proof"?
>

It is a little complicated. The one that Arata made was too small. It did
not impress me or the others who saw it. We could even imagine local
temperature differences in the room producing that effect. Something on a
larger scale would be useful proof. It is hard to quantify exactly what I
mean, but that was the first actual self-running machine, and it was a
disappointment. A calorimeter would have been better.

If you can scale it up a tad above Arata, your are golden. I think perhaps
to the point where the heat is palpable. That would make it very difficult
to fake.

Scale it up to a Rossi device and you can pitch out all
science-experiment-scale instruments. Just use an ordinary thermometer and
a graduated cylinder. Heck, just feel it and use your common sense. Rossi
is right about that. His problem is that he chucks out the HVAC scale
instruments too. Or he uses them ass-backwards without even plugging in the
damn SD card, probably to make himself look bad. I suppose. Who knows?

This is really a matter of taste. As I said, a calorimeter IS a
self-running machine. The distinction is somewhat artificial.

It is a matter of taste, but not just my taste. We are talking about the
taste of people with gigabucks burning a hole in their pockets, so what
they want to see should be important to anyone who wants this field to
survive. If all you want to do is have "fun" and you don't really care
whether humanity gets cold fusion or not, then you should do it any way
your heart desires.

- Jed

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