I am not pulling your leg. MAGIC (Major Atmospheric Gamma-ray Imaging Cherenkov Telescopes) is a system of two Imaging Atmospheric Cherenkov telescopes situated at the Roque de los Muchachos Observatory on La Palma, one of the Canary Islands, at about 2200 m above sea level. MAGIC detects particle showers released by gamma rays, using the Cherenkov radiation, i.e., faint light radiated by the charged particles in the showers. With a diameter of 17 meters for the reflecting surface, it was the largest in the world before the construction of H.E.S.S. II. MAGIC made a controversial observation showing an energy dependence in the speed of light of cosmic rays coming from a short burst of the blazar Markarian 501 on July 9, 2005. Photons with energies between 1.2 and 10 TeV arrived 4 minutes after those in a band between .25 and .6 TeV. The average delay was .030±.012 seconds per GeV of energy of the photon. If the relation between the space velocity of a photon and its energy is linear, then this translates into the fractional difference in the speed of light being equal to minus the photon's energy divided by 2×1017 GeV. The researchers have suggested that the delay could be explained by the presence of quantum foam, the irregular structure of which might slow down photons by minuscule amounts only detectable at cosmic distances such as in the case of the blazar.
More on the quantum form to aggravate the Mills acolytes later. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > the speed of light varies based on photon frequency. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Jeff Driscoll <jef...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> as the electron gets closer the the proton for stable fractional states: >> at n = 1/135 it is going near the speed of light >> at n = 1/136 it is going even closer to the speed of light >> at n = 1/137 closer still >> at n = 137.035999 (i.e. the find structure constant, alpha) it is >> exactly the speed of light >> >> any closer and it would go faster than the speed of light which can't >> happen >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>wrote: >> >>> Jeff, sometimes the conclusions drawn are due to an error of an unknown >>> type. I suspect that the FSC difference that you mention falls into that >>> category. Reminds me of the announcement by CERN of the neutrino speed >>> exceeding that of light which was retracted once a hardware problem was >>> resolved. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jeff Driscoll <jef...@gmail.com> >>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 5:16 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills's theory >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://io9.com/5642233/ask-a-physicist-is-the-fine-structure-constant-really-constant >>> >>> excerpt: >>> About a decade ago, the UNSW team found, much to everyone's >>> surprise<http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9803165>, >>> that billions of light years away, the FSC was slightly smaller than it is >>> here on earth. The difference is pretty miniscule, however, only about 1 >>> part in a hundred thousand. In other words, the physics at the other end of >>> the physical universe would look nearly (but not exactly) like it does here >>> on earth. That means that the diagram above shows an effect about 10,000 >>> times larger than the group actually observed. The signal is small enough >>> that people are right to be concerned about whether or not the UNSW team >>> got their errorbars right. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:06 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I guess that is what it boils down to Eric. I would much rather have >>>> the series continue indefinitely as I have been discussing. i.e. >>>> (1/2,1/3,...1/137,1/138...1/infinity) which would blend nicely with the >>>> other integer portion that we all assume is real. If the total series is >>>> found to be valid, then there is no special consideration needed for the >>>> 1/137 term. >>>> >>>> But, we must abide by natural laws and most times they do not care what >>>> we prefer. :( >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> >>>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 4:12 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills's theory >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, James Bowery >>>> <jabow...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> The theory is a photon like zitterbewegung model describing states >>>>> that retain locality in phase space with circular cycles of a trapped >>>>> photon representing the usual eigenstates. The Maxwell quanta hbar(c) >>>>> becomes a classical angular momentum quanta in phase space with quantum >>>>> number 137 attached. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Ah, gotcha. Thank you. Hence also the electron "becoming a photon" >>>> as it approaches the lowest level. >>>> >>>> Now we have to decide whether we can live with a series { 1/2, 1/3, >>>> 1/4, ..., 1/136, alpha(N) }. (Or something like that.) >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Driscoll >>> 617-290-1998 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Driscoll >> 617-290-1998 >> > >
