Is it possible to measure the voltage that is appearing across the terminals with a scope? The high currents will make your life miserable no doubt, but that would show whether or not the energy being delivered to the sample increases with the water film. When I refer to terminals, I mean across the tips of the two electrodes since any series inductance or conductor resistance will contribute to the impendence of the source and modify the voltage and energy being delivered.
Water is much more resistive than copper and a film of it must come into contact a tiny bit of time before the metals pierce the film. The amount of time for this to occur is unknown at the moment, but a voltage reading that is digitized rapidly will reveal that process if it is happening. A fast and accurate current reading would be ideal as well. The current might also show a pause in rise rate during the passage through the water film. These suggestions are mainly how I would approach the measurement problem. I tend to search for any phenomena that does not match the theoretical ideal. In this case you are hoping that the same amount of energy is supplied to all of the cases and that is what you should test for. Once you verify that the same energy is supplied, then on to the next set of questions. I am sure you realize that the skeptics will never rest unless this type of proof is shown. The current through the sample is going to make the voltage measurement extremely difficult and of course we might expect that Dr. Mills ran into this same issue during his demonstration. It would be most interesting to observe exactly how he was able to derive the voltage and current waveforms he uses to calculate input energy. I would not be surprised to find that this is a weakness in his test system. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt David, the spot welder works with extremely low impedance to begin with. It just puts that high power straight through the metal to melt it (low voltage and high current ~4000 amps). Do you think that tiny amount of water film would have much effect on the impendance when the electrode is also directly touching the copper? It's worth thinking about some more. Can you think of how to test it? Best, Jack On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the conductivity of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out at the pellet? This excellent short might prevent the voltage from rising enough thereby keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a low value. A water film by contrast has much more impedance than copper and that will result in a voltage increase and hence more energy being delivered. What I am describing is related to the concept of matching the source impedance to get the maximum power from the source. In that case an open or short will have zero power delivered. You may have a near zero condition with copper only and a much better power match with the water film. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:39 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and put between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount that managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the water. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> wrote: was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)? Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Cole To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt Hi Folks, I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get anything like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the first try. I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities for types of conductors that they might use in the commercial device, and copper was one of them. I cut a very small piece of copper wire, dipped it in water, placed it on the electrodes, hit the switch, and pop with some bright light! Here's a link to the vid. Sorry for the bad camera work. Let me know what you think. I'll do another vid soon in complete darkness. http://youtu.be/d6XYqEhwZgA Jack