Electrolysis is not typically associated with the enormous currents/magnetic fields Mills now says are required.
Unless your definition of "electrolysis" includes arcing with high currents and magnetic fields through plasma, don't bother with it in the gross bulk calorimeter comparison with integrated transformer power input I suggested. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree James. I will be working to set up an electrolysis system. > Although the behavior could be quite different in bulk water. I'm going > to have to interface the welder with a control system to do single > occasional pulses. > > I just ran another test with a different material - nitinol. This > departed from the behavior I have seen with the other materials in that the > experimental and control test look pretty much the same. It is the most > intense light yet. See the last picture. > > http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2014/08/26/sun-cell-lite-testing/ > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:19 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If the energy release is as great as claimed by Mills then the >> transformer losses should be swamped by the energy output. >> >> If all you have is a particular kind of electrode in contact with water >> then the solution is pretty obvious: >> >> Submerge the electrode in water as a bulk calorimeter, run it for a >> reasonable integration period measuring the power input to the transformer >> and then get the water temperature rise. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't know how to measure the input power. We're talking 2-5V and >>> 3000-4000 amps. I'd be scared to hook my oscilloscope up to it. You could >>> maybe do it on the supply side from the 110AC with a watt meter, but that >>> would be the power going in to the transformer. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dave, >>>> >>>> A very thin film of water on a piece of wire should not change the >>>> impedance that much. Certainly not explain the clearly more intense light >>>> output. There appears to be something going on here. >>>> >>>> Jack, it might help if you measured the temperature and humidity as you >>>> are performing the tests. >>>> >>>> The output power can be measured with a small solar panel. >>>> >>>> That leaves the input power. Any ideas on how to measure input power? >>>> Other than a watthour meter, I'm out. Although I doubt a common watthour >>>> meter would be sensitive enough. Another option is an oscilloscope on the >>>> electrodes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:01 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt >>>> >>>> Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the >>>> conductivity of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out >>>> at the pellet? This excellent short might prevent the voltage from rising >>>> enough thereby keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a low value. >>>> >>>> A water film by contrast has much more impedance than copper and that >>>> will result in a voltage increase and hence more energy being delivered. >>>> What I am describing is related to the concept of matching the source >>>> impedance to get the maximum power from the source. In that case an open >>>> or short will have zero power delivered. You may have a near zero >>>> condition with copper only and a much better power match with the water >>>> film. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> >>>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:39 am >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt >>>> >>>> It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and >>>> put between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount >>>> that managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the >>>> water. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jojo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM >>>>> *Subject:* [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt >>>>> >>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>> I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was >>>>> in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get >>>>> anything like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the first >>>>> try. >>>>> I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities for >>>>> types of conductors that they might use in the commercial device, and >>>>> copper was one of them. I cut a very small piece of copper wire, dipped >>>>> it >>>>> in water, placed it on the electrodes, hit the switch, and pop with some >>>>> bright light! >>>>> Here's a link to the vid. Sorry for the bad camera work. >>>>> Let me know what you think. I'll do another vid soon in complete >>>>> darkness. >>>>> http://youtu.be/d6XYqEhwZgA >>>>> Jack >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
