If you measure before the input side, you have to minus the base load of the
transformer (its losses). Then you can run the spark and see if your
instruments are sensitive enough to register a fast power spike. Then you have
to integrate the chart to compute energy. I believe this is what BLP did,
hence this technique is open to criticism as erroneous. The only way to
absolutely prove overunity is to close the loop.
Any ideas on how to accurately measure Input Power from the group?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
I don't know how to measure the input power. We're talking 2-5V and
3000-4000 amps. I'd be scared to hook my oscilloscope up to it. You could
maybe do it on the supply side from the 110AC with a watt meter, but that would
be the power going in to the transformer.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave,
A very thin film of water on a piece of wire should not change the
impedance that much. Certainly not explain the clearly more intense light
output. There appears to be something going on here.
Jack, it might help if you measured the temperature and humidity as you are
performing the tests.
The output power can be measured with a small solar panel.
That leaves the input power. Any ideas on how to measure input power?
Other than a watthour meter, I'm out. Although I doubt a common watthour meter
would be sensitive enough. Another option is an oscilloscope on the electrodes.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the
conductivity of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out at
the pellet? This excellent short might prevent the voltage from rising enough
thereby keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a low value.
A water film by contrast has much more impedance than copper and that
will result in a voltage increase and hence more energy being delivered. What
I am describing is related to the concept of matching the source impedance to
get the maximum power from the source. In that case an open or short will have
zero power delivered. You may have a near zero condition with copper only and
a much better power match with the water film.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:39 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and put
between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount that
managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the water.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Hi Folks,
I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was
in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get anything
like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the first try.
I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities for
types of conductors that they might use in the commercial device, and copper
was one of them. I cut a very small piece of copper wire, dipped it in water,
placed it on the electrodes, hit the switch, and pop with some bright light!
Here's a link to the vid. Sorry for the bad camera work.
Let me know what you think. I'll do another vid soon in complete
darkness.
http://youtu.be/d6XYqEhwZgA
Jack
