It is difficult to prove how much effect the water has on the spark. I would
concentrate on the measurement of input- output energy first to ensure that it
is worth further research. It seems likely to me that the water film will
become a plasma at the enormous currents being drawn by the network and that
should radiate a lot of visible energy. The air in the vicinity might also get
into the act under these harsh conditions.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Well, we are testing the theory that Randy is proposing. In that theory, the
water should split to H atoms which would then undergo a hydrino transition in
the presence of a catalyst (the wire in Jack' case; powder in Mill's case).
This is what we are ruling out.
Can you explain the origin of the more intense spark in the presence of a thin
film of water. You're argument of impedance change is valid; though I tend to
think it is irrelevant given the small change a thin film of water would
contribute.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
It is the initial contact point that I am thinking about Jojo. The water in
that immediate path should rapidly turn into gas or plasma due to the energy
deposited into it. If the water does not matter then why would we expect it
to contribute to the spark? I suppose the real question is how thick is the
film of water and how does it affect the voltage/current waveforms across the
large contactors?
I believe that it will take a very good voltage and current measurement
system to get to the bottom of this issue.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Dave,
A very thin film of water on a piece of wire should not change the impedance
that much. Certainly not explain the clearly more intense light output.
There appears to be something going on here.
Jack, it might help if you measured the temperature and humidity as you are
performing the tests.
The output power can be measured with a small solar panel.
That leaves the input power. Any ideas on how to measure input power? Other
than a watthour meter, I'm out. Although I doubt a common watthour meter
would be sensitive enough. Another option is an oscilloscope on the
electrodes.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the
conductivity of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out
at the pellet? This excellent short might prevent the voltage from rising
enough thereby keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a low
value.
A water film by contrast has much more impedance than copper and that will
result in a voltage increase and hence more energy being delivered. What
I am describing is related to the concept of matching the source impedance
to get the maximum power from the source. In that case an open or short
will have zero power delivered. You may have a near zero condition with
copper only and a much better power match with the water film.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:39 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and put
between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount that
managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the water.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> wrote:
was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Hi Folks,
I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was
in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get
anything like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the
first try.
I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities for
types of conductors that they might use in the commercial device, and
copper was one of them. I cut a very small piece of copper wire,
dipped it in water, placed it on the electrodes, hit the switch, and
pop with some bright light!
Here's a link to the vid. Sorry for the bad camera work.
Let me know what you think. I'll do another vid soon in complete
darkness.
http://youtu.be/d6XYqEhwZgA
Jack
