Thanks Daniel and Ronni As an update, I've followed your advice, made a bootable backup using CCCloner, backed up to Time Machine, erased the SSD, reinstalled OS X from Recovery via a net download, and then restored apps and data from Time Machine. All seems Ok at this time.
It wasn't quite as easy as that though, as after restarting with Opt key, Disk Utility initially could not erase the disk as it "could not dismount the disk", or words to that effect. Using Techtools Pro last week, thinking it might fix the troubles I had with the computer, it had installed an eDrive partition which simply could not be deleted. Disk Utility could not repartition the SSD as again it "could not dismount the disk". Eventually I was able to erase each of the separate partitions but the eDrive partition remained, albeit I could rename it something else. I'm not sure I wanted that to remain so I decided to use the iMac and restarted the MacBook in Target Firewire mode. I used Disk utility on the iMac to repartition the SSD back to one partition. Restarting the MacBook Pro with the Opt key down there was then no Recovery Disk option (I guess I blew that away too) so the computer prompted me to reinstall from the net, which I did. From there it was easy to reinstall the data from Time Machine. That entire process took around 6 hours, on and off. I was able to go away and do other things as the Mountain Lion was dragged in through the net! All a bit puzzling to me but as I said, all seems to be well but time will tell - when the next OS X update is released perhaps. *Ah yes I note the installed ML is 10.8.3 so there is a combo update waiting in my downloads folder to deal with after I finish this email, so I'll post an update when that has been installed! Daniel, as an aside, I have received a response from Alsoft re Disk Warrior and SSDs. I'll post it separately on-list. Look out for it as it may raise some eyebrows and discussion ;-) Regards and thanks Reg On 26/06/2013, at 9:37 pm, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: > Hi Reg > > Depending on type of issues, then sometimes it can be fine to migrate > everything and see how it goes. > Though sometimes if you don't want to do it all a second time I find it's > easier just to migrate just the user data and then manually install all the > Applications again. It takes longer but you get a cleaner setup. Otherwise > you can try and see how it goes. Then if it doesn't work, you do a clean set > up again from scratch again. :) > But with the Applications you can only migrate all or nothing. > > Kind regards > Daniel > --- > Daniel Kerr > MacWizardry > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > **For everything Apple** > > On 26/06/2013, at 11:53 AM, Reg Whitely <rwhit...@internode.on.net> wrote: > >> Thanks Daniel. I'm about to do this. Is it safe to migrate the apps back as >> well as data. I know I will need to although I also read it's good practice >> to download the latest versions fresh from the web. Unfortunately there are >> some I simply can't download and will need to migrate. Will this >> re-introduce corrupt data? >> >> Reg >> >> On 25/06/2013, at 9:05 pm, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Hi Reg >>> >>> Yes, as Ronni's mentioned it sounds like you'd you set it up then migrated >>> after that, as that's normally what happens with the "name conflict". >>> >>> It's pretty easy to reset it up (well fairly easy). Just run a Time Machine >>> backup and perhaps a second bootable clone backup as well (to cover all the >>> bases). Once happy everything is backed up restart the machine with Option >>> key held down and boot into recovery partition. >>> Erase with Disk Utility then choose "reinstall OSX". It will take a while >>> as a) it has to download the whole 10.8.4 4GB image again off the Internet >>> then install it. So that can take 2-8 hours or more depending on your >>> Internet and congestion of servers (download servers). >>> It will then install and restart and you have the choice to restore (you >>> can then choose to restore from a) your clone or b) Time Machine backup. >>> It will then restore all your data etc. >>> After that, all should be good. >>> >>> Easy :)) >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> Just got home so now about to go eat dinner, Er lunch really after my blah >>> day. (Was going well until my car decided to get a flat tyre....in the >>> rain....and make me late.....lol. Cars eh!) >>> >>> Have fun. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Daniel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 5 >>> >>> --- >>> Daniel Kerr >>> MacWizardry >>> >>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>> Email: <danielATmacwizardryDOTcomDOTau> >>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>> >>> >>> **For everything Apple** >>> >>> On 25/06/2013, at 8:00 PM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Reg, >>>> >>>>> I suspect it happened when I first used Migration Assistant and it told >>>>> me I couldn't have the same user name as one that already existed. I >>>>> changed the name and continued. Would that have affected permissions etc? >>>> >>>> Yes. it sounds like you had already setup the User Account with the same >>>> name on the MacBook Pro and then used Migration Assistant to transfer a >>>> same named User Account. >>>> >>>> I've found it is always best to do the migration at the First Startup >>>> using Setup Assistant. Otherwise you can run into User Account Permission >>>> problems and other issues. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>> >>>> On 25/06/2013, at 6:17 PM, Reg Whitely <rwhit...@internode.on.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Daniel, that's a lot of help. Sounds like some homework coming up. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect it happened when I first used Migration Assistant and it told >>>>> me I couldn't have the same user name as one that already existed. I >>>>> changed the name and continued. Would that have affected permissions etc? >>>>> I've used Disk Utility and it repairs permissions but this silly problem >>>>> still exists. Either that or something came into the system folder from >>>>> the old MacBook Pro which this Mountain Lion couldn't quite digest! >>>>> >>>>> Reg >>>>> >>>>> On 25/06/2013, at 5:58 pm, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No point. Solid State Drives (SSD's) don't work the same as "normal >>>>>> drives" so you won't gain any benefit from it, and in some cases can >>>>>> make it worse. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I wouldn't recommend Diskwarrior for that type of machine, or ones >>>>>> with SSD's at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you're having "strange issues" then I'd try backing everything up >>>>>> then do a full erase. Once done reinstall the OS and the migrate your >>>>>> files back. >>>>>> If you've tried re-installing just the last combo update over the top of >>>>>> it and issues persist then a clean fresh install with migration back >>>>>> should fix it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5 >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>>> MacWizardry >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>>> Email: <danielATmacwizardryDOTcomDOTau> >>>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25/06/2013, at 5:33 PM, Reg Whitely <rwhit...@internode.on.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi WAMUGgers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been following this for a while and thank Ronni for her tenacity >>>>>>> in helping us all. I'm tempted to try Disk Warrior on my new MacBook >>>>>>> Pro Early 2013 15" Retina which displays curious behaviour at times >>>>>>> (ie ML Software updates always end up with Install failed messages even >>>>>>> though they have installed apparently successfully - currently 10.8.4). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However looking at the Disk Warrior website and tech info it is >>>>>>> apparent that: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The current DiskWarrior DVD cannot start up the new MacBook Pros >>>>>>> introduced June 11, 2012. An updated disc that will also start up these >>>>>>> recent Mac models will be released as soon as Apple, Inc. releases new >>>>>>> startup files to Alsoft, Inc. and other developers." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any advice here before I fork out my $99US? I guess I could install >>>>>>> this on our iMac and do the repairs in Target Disk mode, but I'd rather >>>>>>> have the most appropriate software in the first instance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've sent a tech query to Alsoft and await their response also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards and thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25/06/2013, at 7:36 am, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This reply that I sent to WAMUG Mailing list on Friday 21 June 2013 is >>>>>>>> not showing in the Mailing List Archives. >>>>>>>> So I'm not sure if it came through to the List. I've forwarded the >>>>>>>> reply again just in case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: MacBook issues >>>>>>>>> Date: 21 June 2013 7:59:59 AM AWST >>>>>>>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Stuart, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You need to fix the corruption first if possible. Use DiskWarrior to >>>>>>>>> Rebuild and Replace the Directory if it can. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How to use DiskWarrior: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The DiskWarrior DVD is bootable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Insert the DiskWarrior DVD & Start your Mac, Hold down the “C” >>>>>>>>> key to start from the DiskWarrior CD. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. When the computer has completed starting up from the DiskWarrior >>>>>>>>> CD, the DiskWarrior application will open automatically. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You will then be presented with the DiskWarrior main window from >>>>>>>>> which you can rebuild disk directories. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Select Macintosh HD from the drop-down menu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. The lower portion of the main window will indicate whether the >>>>>>>>> directory is ready to be rebuilt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If for some reason DiskWarrior cannot rebuild the disk’s directory, >>>>>>>>> it will indicate the reasons the directory cannot be rebuilt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. Click the Rebuild button. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DiskWarrior will begin building the replacement directory on the disk >>>>>>>>> to be rebuilt. It will first analyse the disk. This analysis can take >>>>>>>>> anywhere from several seconds to several minutes or longer, depending >>>>>>>>> on the number of files on the disk. When DiskWarrior is finished, it >>>>>>>>> will display a dialog informing you of the results of the rebuild. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 6. Click “Replace” to use the replacement directory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you click “Replace,” DiskWarrior will install the replacement >>>>>>>>> directory on your disk. This will result in your disk being >>>>>>>>> “replaced” by the Preview disk described above. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 7. DiskWarrior will install the rebuilt directory and keep you >>>>>>>>> updated with its progress. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DiskWarrior uses a fail-safe method of replacing the directory >>>>>>>>> whenever possible, which will be most cases. To use the fail-safe >>>>>>>>> method, there merely needs to be enough free space on the disk to >>>>>>>>> write the new directory. There is redundancy designed into the >>>>>>>>> fail-safe method, assuring there is never any risk of ending up with >>>>>>>>> an unusable disk if the process is interrupted. You can go back to >>>>>>>>> step 4 for any disk for which the process was interrupted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 8. Quit DiskWarrior by selecting "Quit DiskWarrior" from the >>>>>>>>> DiskWarrior menu. >>>>>>>>> Your computer will now restart. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2013, at 8:43 PM, Stuart Breden <bred...@highway1.biz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ronni. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll try Disk Worrier again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My daughter does not have a back up of her hard drive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think I know how to reinstall the operating system with loosing >>>>>>>>>> her data. Is it all in your tutorial? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Looked on your web site but can't find anything about reinstalling >>>>>>>>>> OS 10.4. What link do I use? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stuart Breden >>>>>>>>>> PO Box 132 >>>>>>>>>> Kalamunda WA 6926 >>>>>>>>>> Ph: (08) 9257 1577 >>>>>>>>>> Mbl: 0417 053 266 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2013, at 12:38 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stuart, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned previously this indicates there is >>>>>>>>>>> corruption/damage, whether the system software or hardware (hard >>>>>>>>>>> drive) we are not sure. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I take it this is a MacBook2,1 Intel Core 2 Duo... not MacBook1,1 >>>>>>>>>>> Intel Core Duo. >>>>>>>>>>> Because you mentioned the MacBook came with OS X 10.4.8 installed >>>>>>>>>>> and then you said you updated it to OS X 10.4.8... Don't you mean >>>>>>>>>>> you were updating it to OS X 10.4.11? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim's advise of reinstalling the OS system may need to be used. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But first: You mentioned you did boot from the DiskWarrior DVD (it >>>>>>>>>>> takes about 10 minutes to boot from the disc) and were able to >>>>>>>>>>> Repair and Replace the Mac's Directory Database? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After DW finished the repair and replaced the contents of the drive >>>>>>>>>>> with the fixed one, what happened? >>>>>>>>>>> Did you remove the DW disc from the drive and reboot as normal? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2013, at 10:53 PM, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stuart, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just an idea - have you tried reloading your original system >>>>>>>>>>>> software by starting up with the disk the computer came with? And >>>>>>>>>>>> once the computer is running fine on the original OS, then >>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading it to the latest. I'm wondering if somehow it's lost >>>>>>>>>>>> it's operating system. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that there were no problems before the upgrade was done, >>>>>>>>>>>> and Diskwarrior and the AHT did their stuff without throwing up >>>>>>>>>>>> alarming errors on the state of the disk, I'm wondering if >>>>>>>>>>>> starting again from scratch would be a reasonable thing to try - >>>>>>>>>>>> through all the upgrades the system software may have got >>>>>>>>>>>> corrupted somehow. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully you can do all this whilst maintaining the user files. >>>>>>>>>>>> Does she have a recent backup in case you need to erase the disk >>>>>>>>>>>> and start really afresh? >>>>>>>>>>>> It's starting to point to desperate measures me thinks. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2013, at 8:34 PM, Stuart Breden <bred...@highway1.biz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct Ronni. Did not do the Safe Boot quite correctly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now followed your instruction to the letter and still the MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>> will not boot. As previously opens to blank blue screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Any further advice? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuart Breden >>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 132 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalamunda WA 6926 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (08) 9257 1577 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mbl: 0417 053 266 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2013, at 9:13 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stuart, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Gray, blue or white screen and/or loading bar - means OS X >>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't loading - usually indicating a corrupt/drive issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure you correctly did a Safe Mode startup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safe boot mode? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When holding down Shift key at startup comes to startup screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the wheel continuing to spin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is when you release the Shift key and let the system load. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 4 below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes longer to startup in Safe Mode than a normal startup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To start up into Safe Mode (to Safe Boot): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Be sure your Mac is shut down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Press the power button. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Immediately after you hear the startup tone, hold the Shift >>>>>>>>>>>>>> key. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Shift key should be held as soon as possible after the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup tone, but not before the tone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Release the Shift key when you see the gray Apple icon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the progress indicator (looks like a spinning gear). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> During startup in Mac OS X v10.4 through Mac OS X v10.6.8, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will see "Safe Boot" on the login window. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To leave Safe Mode, restart the computer normally, without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding any keys during startup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2013, at 8:21 PM, Stuart Breden <bred...@highway1.biz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuart Breden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 132 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalamunda WA 6926 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (08) 9257 1577 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mbl: 0417 053 266 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2013, at 8:38 PM, Tim Law wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have you already tried Stuart? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safe boot mode? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When holding down Shift key at startup comes to startup screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the wheel continuing to spin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you let it restart all by itself after the software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update, or did it get turned off before the updates had been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completed? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let it restart by itself and it goes through the startup screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then stays on blue screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tried restarting from original disks to make sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not a hardware issue. Insert original disk and hold C to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force it to boot from that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Repaired Permissions and Repair Dick from Dick Utility on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Disk 1 of the original disks. did the extended hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test and no problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have disk Warrior, and have you run it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you update? Via the normal online Software Update? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v10.4.8 via the normal online Software Update. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What operating system did she have, or have now? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the original disks it was v10.4.8. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you follow the oft repeated expectations of Ronni before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and after any upgrades? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. backup, permissions fix etc etc. She's got a whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial on her website if I recall. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes and no. My daughter wanted her MacBook ASAP and did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow exactly as I was sick. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps you are busy managing the relationship with your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> daughter - chocolate etc...... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2013, at 7:35 PM, Stuart Breden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bred...@highway1.biz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My daughter has a MacBook Intel Core 2 Duo/1.83 Ghz (November >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20060. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I upgraded it over the weekend following the Software Update. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She has Microsoft Office 2004. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After I had completed the updates of the system software and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft all I got was a blank blue screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What now? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuart Breden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 132 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalamunda WA 6926 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (08) 9257 1577 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mbl: 0417 053 266 >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> >> Reg Whitely >> >> Home: 08 9921 7272 >> Mob: 04 8899 7313 >> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net >> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
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