It remains so mystifying to me how the Java community produces such absolute 
garbage as JPA and their other specs.  How many versions of EJB have we been 
through? 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 2.x, 3.x....and how consistent are they (hint: not 
one bit).

I'll happily, boringly stick with EOF which seems to have been quite consistent 
since '94 (even in spite of the move to Java).

Karl

On 2012-07-13, at 4:29 PM, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> But yes, I've used Cayenne on a couple of projects. As you know it feels a 
>>> *lot* like EOF and was by far the nicest ORM I could legally use at my 
>>> previous pure java workplace. (protip: never go anywhere near JPA, it 
>>> *will* rape your dog and kill your grandmother.) Apart from the technical 
>>> similarities, Cayenne also has another important thing in common with WO: A 
>>> good community and an active mailing list full of nice and helpful people, 
>>> so you never get stuck along the way.
>> 
>> What do you mean by it feels a *lot* like EOF? Is it because the method 
>> calls look alike?
> 
> Cayenne is conceptually very similar to EOF so the API and architecture will 
> instantly feel familiar to an experienced EOF programmer. Learning Cayenne is 
> more like learning a dialect than learning a new language.
> 
> 
>> Regarding JPA, I've observed since I started working on EOF in 2010, very 
>> few know about J2EE in this community. JPA is not a standard, it's a 
>> specification. A clever WO developer can use EOF with JPA too :)
> 
> Yes, the JPA is a spec, I just think it is a bad spec :). The Criteria API 
> alone made me want to grab my head by the eyesockets and remove it from my 
> torso.
> 
> Cheers,
> - hugi
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