Unfortunately, not really. There's that guide for converting an existing Fluffy 
Bunny project…

https://gist.github.com/hugith/e9a49e91fbcebe204e0feb4989f55631 
<https://gist.github.com/hugith/e9a49e91fbcebe204e0feb4989f55631>

…and after that everything should just work®. But of course there are always 
caveats. And we're really missing basic documentation on project structure and 
other stuff for people new to Maven.

But if you give it a try, I (and others) are very happy to help along the way, 
both here on the list and on Slack. I don't know anyone that switched to Maven 
and regretted it.

- hugi



> On 21 Feb 2019, at 19:02, Fredrik Lindgren <fredrik_li...@drop.se> wrote:
> 
> So, is there a good description/guide somewhere for how to use Maven with 
> WebObjects and Wonder?
> 
> Hälsningar
> Fredrik Lindgren
> 
> 21 feb. 2019 kl. 18:13 skrev Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is 
> <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>>:
> 
>> Ya'll need Maven.
>> 
>> - hugi
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2019, at 17:09, Tim Worman <li...@thetimmy.com 
>>> <mailto:li...@thetimmy.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would think, at this point, that the number of devs swapping between 
>>> multiple versions of WO would be close to zero. Anyone supporting a legacy 
>>> codebase will probably know what to do. Perhaps there could simply be a 
>>> link to a separate article - “How to maintain multiple versions of WO."
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com 
>>>> <mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is that (If I remember correctly) when you invoke ant on the 
>>>> CLI, ant uses wolips.properties. it will ignore anything else.
>>>> 
>>>> so if you have a wolips.543.properties and Eclipse is set up to use it, 
>>>> then Eclipse is Okay, but the CLI will not use it.
>>>> 
>>>> So I think it is better to NOT use the wolips.543.properties so that 
>>>> installing and or compiling from Eclipse will agree with using the CLI.
>>>> 
>>>> One can do whatever pleases themselves, but I think erring on the side of 
>>>> consistency is more correct (betterer???)! And it is not really erring, it 
>>>> is making an informed decision.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you override ant’s properties?
>>>> 
>>>> ant -Dproperties=wolips.543.properties
>>>> 
>>>> So I agree with Markus, we should tone down the usage of .543. (multiple 
>>>> versions) or at the least call it not recommended and the above is why.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Maik Musall <m...@selbstdenker.ag 
>>>>> <mailto:m...@selbstdenker.ag>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ted,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I went through the install process on a clean machine, created new 
>>>>> screenshots and updated the Project Wonder Installation page with that. 
>>>>> But I kept the wolips.543.properties scheme that had been described 
>>>>> there, even though the comments at the bottom recommend not doing that 
>>>>> and ignore the versioning. I also have the impression that skipping the 
>>>>> version distinction would be better.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can update that again, but I'd like a discussion about that detail here 
>>>>> before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maik
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 21.02.2019 um 05:06 schrieb Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I can edit some pages but not all  :(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can edit in here for instance:
>>>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Building+a+WebObjects+Project
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Building+a+WebObjects+Project>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> but I cannot edit here:
>>>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation 
>>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have always been very confused in the wiki. I know that Maik Musall 
>>>>>> can edit here because it says at the top of the page:
>>>>>> last modified by Maik Musall 
>>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/~mmusall> on Dec 01, 2017 
>>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/pages/diffpagesbyversion.action?pageId=1835055&selectedPageVersions=60&selectedPageVersions=61>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would be happy to help here if we can figure out how to get me edit 
>>>>>> privs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:47 PM, Michael Sharp <getsh...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:getsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A wiki update would be good. I’ve updated README.md in the 4.10 repo to 
>>>>>>> reference the appropriate version of Eclipse and WOLips update site URL.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Sharpy.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:03 pm, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> should the wiki be updated to reflect this URL?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hate the idea of having to examine the mail archives to find  this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2019, at 7:38 PM, Henrique Prange <hpra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hpra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just to let you know that I've merged Michael's pull request into the 
>>>>>>>>> eclipse_4_10 branch. Maik did set up a new Jenkins job to build from 
>>>>>>>>> changes on that branch. You can test it by pointing your WOLips 
>>>>>>>>> update site to:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips410/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> <https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips410/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It looks good on my machine.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> HP
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Michael Sharp <getsh...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:getsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henrique,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, PR here https://github.com/wocommunity/wolips/pull/139 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/wocommunity/wolips/pull/139>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Sharpy.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2019, at 3:11 am, Henrique Prange <hpra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hpra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've pushed a new branch eclipse_4_10 to track changes and fixes 
>>>>>>>>>>> for Eclipse 2018-12 momentarily. Would you mind to create a pull 
>>>>>>>>>>> request?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> HP
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Michael Sharp <getsh...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:getsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Samuel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m happy to create a pull request but I’m not sure there’s an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate destination branch at wocommunity/wolips yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’d like to see jenkins.wocommunity building this too. I have 
>>>>>>>>>>>> jenkins building it here with both rebel and jprofiler support, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> although I’m unable to test those particular features.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Sharpy
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ps: my last message was sent from an email address that is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> registered for the list, this one should make it. It’s been a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> while..
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 1:50 am, Samuel Pelletier <sam...@samkar.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sam...@samkar.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I managed to build your branch with the readme content (There are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too many build instruction out there...) and after fixing the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wo.root in the wobuild.property file that was not up to date. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> built without jprofiler and without jrebel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AddKey works again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be a good thing to create the official repo with these 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and start the automatic builds. What is the next step to put that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in place ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13 févr. 2019 à 18:29, Michael Sharp <mich...@getsharp.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mich...@getsharp.org>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m building a WOLips4.10 variation locally from my branch at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/getsharp/wolips/tree/eclipse_4_10 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/getsharp/wolips/tree/eclipse_4_10>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The changes to their internal JDT APIs (such as StubUtility) was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a pretty good incentive to leave them alone all together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add Key and a few other broken features are fixed for me with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this build.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharpy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2019, at 7:37 am, Samuel Pelletier <sam...@samkar.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sam...@samkar.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I experience Eclipse 2018-12 with WOLips and DCEVM and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest WOLips and it works quite well to date.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the openjdk11 with DCEVM and Hotswap integrated found at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this location, it is important to use the latest (+8 at this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time) version if you use Groovy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/TravaOpenJDK/trava-jdk-11-dcevm/releases 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/TravaOpenJDK/trava-jdk-11-dcevm/releases>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This download contains the entire JVM directory, to install it :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         cd /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         sudo tar zxf 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/yourDownloadLocation/java11-openjdk-dcevm-osx.tar.gz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Then go to Eclipse preferences to add the new JVM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This JVM is for dev only, it always starts with DCEVM and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hotswap. DCEVM is a free hot code replacement like JRebel and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HotSwap contains plugins to help the engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apps compile and run faster (real or placebo effet) than my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only downside to date is the addKey in the WO editor that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no longer works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It fail with java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org/eclipse/jdt/internal/corext/codemanipulation/StubUtility. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found the addKey problem in WOLips, the team moved an internal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classe used by this function in the AddKeyInfo class. Here is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the import that need to change in this file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -import 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.jdt.internal.corext.codemanipulation.StubUtility;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +import org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.manipulation.StubUtility;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My problem now is I do not have a working WOLips build 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment to test this. I tried to follow the Wiki 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction but I only get fail build du to missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone has a working WOLips development setup, please 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update it with Eclipse 2018-12 and apply my patch to build a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new WOLips. This will require a new WOLips version for Eclipse 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.10+ since this code will no longer works with the previous 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samuel
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