do you think it would be possible to find someone that CAN do the work, and 
then set up a fund me instance so we could pay him/her?

I would put money into this if I thought there were others that would also add 
funds!

Ted

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev 
> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I recall something about show/hide but it’s fuzzy now.
> 
> I did however, conclude that we are all hosed!
> 
> The value of things like the AJAX list panel that can load up new batches or 
> a tab panel that reloads like magic?
> 
> These old Ajax frameworks have tricks to override rules in D2W so simply 
> adding the framework inserts itself into the interface frameworks beautifully.
> 
> Then I went into the AJAX frameworks to trace the code and found the group of 
> them to be deeply intertwined, and the code depends on long hierarchies of 
> those too-long-inheritance chains that we’ve all seen arise over time. You 
> just keep going into superviews and different WOD bindings until you are lost.
> 
> I strongly sense we’d have to quite literally rewrite a batch of related 
> frameworks -- and we’d have to be able to use the same code/D2W trickery to 
> make the new frameworks ride on top of our apps seamlessly.
> 
> However, it IS possible to do!
> 
> I wish I had a solution to this problem.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:57 AM, René Bock <b...@salient-doremus.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you may use both frameworks,  prototyps.js and jQuery if you use 
>> jQuery in non-conflict mode (because both frameworks defines the variable $ 
>> as shortcut)
>> 
>> We had some additional issues when using the bootstrap framework, as 
>> prototypes.js add functions like show, hide, toggle to each element.     
>> 
>>> Am 29.10.2019 um 12:55 schrieb Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev 
>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>:
>>> 
>>> I have trouble with this as well, the older code conflicts with newer 
>>> jQuery based stuff.
>>> 
>>> So bad, that it will eventually stop your work because some bugs are 
>>> critical and you’ll not be able to work around them.
>>> 
>>> I’ve found that the code way back in those Ajax frameworks is indeed 
>>> amazing but also unreadable and unmaintainable.
>>> 
>>> In fact, I believe there is no way with our current resources that WO folks 
>>> will overcome this critical issue — our legacy is dragging us down.
>>> 
>>> If anyone can figure this out, or even has ideas or wants to try — I’m up 
>>> for it, but I’ve found myself that the weight is impossibly heavy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:18 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev 
>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Log time ago (10/2014), there was an old thread around migrating ajax from 
>>>> prototype to jquery as :
>>>> - prototype is out of date
>>>> - we « all » use jQuery to deal with ajax-front-end-requests
>>>> 
>>>> There was a link to the work made by johnny miller 
>>>> https://github.com/johnnykahalawai/wonder
>>>> 
>>>> To deal with ajax-back-end-requests, we currently use :
>>>> - AjaxModaDialog
>>>> - AjaxUpdateContainer
>>>> - AjaxUpdateLink
>>>> - AjaxObserveField
>>>> - AjaxSubmitButton
>>>> - AjaxLongResponse
>>>> 
>>>> How do you deal with Ajax ? Still use wonder with prototype ? Any new idea 
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> Jérémy
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>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen 
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