I looked into TreasureBoat with Paul and it was great - accepting the lic. was not open-source, so it couldn’t be mixed with Wonder
For those of us who need an open-source codebase we are stuck in the mud. Perhaps it is possible to engage TreasureBoat knowledge and effort to re-write the Ajax related frameworks using new tools but I still think that retrofitting that stuff is going to be very difficult. > On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote: > > Yeah, that's helpful. Sorry we're not aware of that secret work on > TreasureBoat. > > - hugi > > > >> On 29 Oct 2019, at 15:13, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev >> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >> >> The tough work has already been done by Ken on the TreasureBoat. >> >> But as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. >> >> Paul >> >> >>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well, it’s a team job for sure. >>> >>> There’s tough programming in WO - components, frameworks, inheritance and >>> trickery. >>> >>> There’s tough programming in javascript - not just implementation, but >>> identifying the original designs and retrofitting something that seamlessly >>> enhances Wonder projects simply by linking to the frameworks…serious >>> wizardry. >>> >>> There’s tough programming in D2W, stuff that I was shocked to see! The >>> trouble was not understanding any particular rule, although there were some >>> (a lot?) that I was amazed by — but actually understanding the bigger >>> picture of how they FIT these frameworks right into the Wonder stuff - link >>> and unlink and magic comes and goes. >>> >>> So, if it were to be done, it would have to be US that does it! >>> >>> It’s a really hard task… >>> >>> I wish I had a suggestion, because I believe it is THAT important. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> do you think it would be possible to find someone that CAN do the work, >>>> and then set up a fund me instance so we could pay him/her? >>>> >>>> I would put money into this if I thought there were others that would also >>>> add funds! >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I recall something about show/hide but it’s fuzzy now. >>>>> >>>>> I did however, conclude that we are all hosed! >>>>> >>>>> The value of things like the AJAX list panel that can load up new batches >>>>> or a tab panel that reloads like magic? >>>>> >>>>> These old Ajax frameworks have tricks to override rules in D2W so simply >>>>> adding the framework inserts itself into the interface frameworks >>>>> beautifully. >>>>> >>>>> Then I went into the AJAX frameworks to trace the code and found the >>>>> group of them to be deeply intertwined, and the code depends on long >>>>> hierarchies of those too-long-inheritance chains that we’ve all seen >>>>> arise over time. You just keep going into superviews and different WOD >>>>> bindings until you are lost. >>>>> >>>>> I strongly sense we’d have to quite literally rewrite a batch of related >>>>> frameworks -- and we’d have to be able to use the same code/D2W trickery >>>>> to make the new frameworks ride on top of our apps seamlessly. >>>>> >>>>> However, it IS possible to do! >>>>> >>>>> I wish I had a solution to this problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:57 AM, René Bock <b...@salient-doremus.de> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, you may use both frameworks, prototyps.js and jQuery if you use >>>>>> jQuery in non-conflict mode (because both frameworks defines the >>>>>> variable $ as shortcut) >>>>>> >>>>>> We had some additional issues when using the bootstrap framework, as >>>>>> prototypes.js add functions like show, hide, toggle to each element. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 29.10.2019 um 12:55 schrieb Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have trouble with this as well, the older code conflicts with newer >>>>>>> jQuery based stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So bad, that it will eventually stop your work because some bugs are >>>>>>> critical and you’ll not be able to work around them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve found that the code way back in those Ajax frameworks is indeed >>>>>>> amazing but also unreadable and unmaintainable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, I believe there is no way with our current resources that WO >>>>>>> folks will overcome this critical issue — our legacy is dragging us >>>>>>> down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone can figure this out, or even has ideas or wants to try — I’m >>>>>>> up for it, but I’ve found myself that the weight is impossibly heavy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:18 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Log time ago (10/2014), there was an old thread around migrating ajax >>>>>>>> from prototype to jquery as : >>>>>>>> - prototype is out of date >>>>>>>> - we « all » use jQuery to deal with ajax-front-end-requests >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was a link to the work made by johnny miller >>>>>>>> https://github.com/johnnykahalawai/wonder >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To deal with ajax-back-end-requests, we currently use : >>>>>>>> - AjaxModaDialog >>>>>>>> - AjaxUpdateContainer >>>>>>>> - AjaxUpdateLink >>>>>>>> - AjaxObserveField >>>>>>>> - AjaxSubmitButton >>>>>>>> - AjaxLongResponse >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you deal with Ajax ? 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