Yeah, that's helpful. Sorry we're not aware of that secret work on TreasureBoat.
- hugi > On 29 Oct 2019, at 15:13, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev > <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: > > The tough work has already been done by Ken on the TreasureBoat. > > But as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. > > Paul > > >> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >> >> Well, it’s a team job for sure. >> >> There’s tough programming in WO - components, frameworks, inheritance and >> trickery. >> >> There’s tough programming in javascript - not just implementation, but >> identifying the original designs and retrofitting something that seamlessly >> enhances Wonder projects simply by linking to the frameworks…serious >> wizardry. >> >> There’s tough programming in D2W, stuff that I was shocked to see! The >> trouble was not understanding any particular rule, although there were some >> (a lot?) that I was amazed by — but actually understanding the bigger >> picture of how they FIT these frameworks right into the Wonder stuff - link >> and unlink and magic comes and goes. >> >> So, if it were to be done, it would have to be US that does it! >> >> It’s a really hard task… >> >> I wish I had a suggestion, because I believe it is THAT important. >> >> >> >>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> do you think it would be possible to find someone that CAN do the work, and >>> then set up a fund me instance so we could pay him/her? >>> >>> I would put money into this if I thought there were others that would also >>> add funds! >>> >>> Ted >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, I recall something about show/hide but it’s fuzzy now. >>>> >>>> I did however, conclude that we are all hosed! >>>> >>>> The value of things like the AJAX list panel that can load up new batches >>>> or a tab panel that reloads like magic? >>>> >>>> These old Ajax frameworks have tricks to override rules in D2W so simply >>>> adding the framework inserts itself into the interface frameworks >>>> beautifully. >>>> >>>> Then I went into the AJAX frameworks to trace the code and found the group >>>> of them to be deeply intertwined, and the code depends on long hierarchies >>>> of those too-long-inheritance chains that we’ve all seen arise over time. >>>> You just keep going into superviews and different WOD bindings until you >>>> are lost. >>>> >>>> I strongly sense we’d have to quite literally rewrite a batch of related >>>> frameworks -- and we’d have to be able to use the same code/D2W trickery >>>> to make the new frameworks ride on top of our apps seamlessly. >>>> >>>> However, it IS possible to do! >>>> >>>> I wish I had a solution to this problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:57 AM, René Bock <b...@salient-doremus.de> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, you may use both frameworks, prototyps.js and jQuery if you use >>>>> jQuery in non-conflict mode (because both frameworks defines the variable >>>>> $ as shortcut) >>>>> >>>>> We had some additional issues when using the bootstrap framework, as >>>>> prototypes.js add functions like show, hide, toggle to each element. >>>>> >>>>>> Am 29.10.2019 um 12:55 schrieb Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have trouble with this as well, the older code conflicts with newer >>>>>> jQuery based stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> So bad, that it will eventually stop your work because some bugs are >>>>>> critical and you’ll not be able to work around them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve found that the code way back in those Ajax frameworks is indeed >>>>>> amazing but also unreadable and unmaintainable. >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact, I believe there is no way with our current resources that WO >>>>>> folks will overcome this critical issue — our legacy is dragging us down. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone can figure this out, or even has ideas or wants to try — I’m >>>>>> up for it, but I’ve found myself that the weight is impossibly heavy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:18 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Log time ago (10/2014), there was an old thread around migrating ajax >>>>>>> from prototype to jquery as : >>>>>>> - prototype is out of date >>>>>>> - we « all » use jQuery to deal with ajax-front-end-requests >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was a link to the work made by johnny miller >>>>>>> https://github.com/johnnykahalawai/wonder >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To deal with ajax-back-end-requests, we currently use : >>>>>>> - AjaxModaDialog >>>>>>> - AjaxUpdateContainer >>>>>>> - AjaxUpdateLink >>>>>>> - AjaxObserveField >>>>>>> - AjaxSubmitButton >>>>>>> - AjaxLongResponse >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you deal with Ajax ? 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