The tough work has already been done by Ken on the TreasureBoat. But as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
Paul > On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev > <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: > > Well, it’s a team job for sure. > > There’s tough programming in WO - components, frameworks, inheritance and > trickery. > > There’s tough programming in javascript - not just implementation, but > identifying the original designs and retrofitting something that seamlessly > enhances Wonder projects simply by linking to the frameworks…serious wizardry. > > There’s tough programming in D2W, stuff that I was shocked to see! The > trouble was not understanding any particular rule, although there were some > (a lot?) that I was amazed by — but actually understanding the bigger picture > of how they FIT these frameworks right into the Wonder stuff - link and > unlink and magic comes and goes. > > So, if it were to be done, it would have to be US that does it! > > It’s a really hard task… > > I wish I had a suggestion, because I believe it is THAT important. > > > >> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> do you think it would be possible to find someone that CAN do the work, and >> then set up a fund me instance so we could pay him/her? >> >> I would put money into this if I thought there were others that would also >> add funds! >> >> Ted >> >>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I recall something about show/hide but it’s fuzzy now. >>> >>> I did however, conclude that we are all hosed! >>> >>> The value of things like the AJAX list panel that can load up new batches >>> or a tab panel that reloads like magic? >>> >>> These old Ajax frameworks have tricks to override rules in D2W so simply >>> adding the framework inserts itself into the interface frameworks >>> beautifully. >>> >>> Then I went into the AJAX frameworks to trace the code and found the group >>> of them to be deeply intertwined, and the code depends on long hierarchies >>> of those too-long-inheritance chains that we’ve all seen arise over time. >>> You just keep going into superviews and different WOD bindings until you >>> are lost. >>> >>> I strongly sense we’d have to quite literally rewrite a batch of related >>> frameworks -- and we’d have to be able to use the same code/D2W trickery to >>> make the new frameworks ride on top of our apps seamlessly. >>> >>> However, it IS possible to do! >>> >>> I wish I had a solution to this problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:57 AM, René Bock <b...@salient-doremus.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, you may use both frameworks, prototyps.js and jQuery if you use >>>> jQuery in non-conflict mode (because both frameworks defines the variable >>>> $ as shortcut) >>>> >>>> We had some additional issues when using the bootstrap framework, as >>>> prototypes.js add functions like show, hide, toggle to each element. >>>> >>>>> Am 29.10.2019 um 12:55 schrieb Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev >>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>: >>>>> >>>>> I have trouble with this as well, the older code conflicts with newer >>>>> jQuery based stuff. >>>>> >>>>> So bad, that it will eventually stop your work because some bugs are >>>>> critical and you’ll not be able to work around them. >>>>> >>>>> I’ve found that the code way back in those Ajax frameworks is indeed >>>>> amazing but also unreadable and unmaintainable. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, I believe there is no way with our current resources that WO >>>>> folks will overcome this critical issue — our legacy is dragging us down. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone can figure this out, or even has ideas or wants to try — I’m up >>>>> for it, but I’ve found myself that the weight is impossibly heavy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:18 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Log time ago (10/2014), there was an old thread around migrating ajax >>>>>> from prototype to jquery as : >>>>>> - prototype is out of date >>>>>> - we « all » use jQuery to deal with ajax-front-end-requests >>>>>> >>>>>> There was a link to the work made by johnny miller >>>>>> https://github.com/johnnykahalawai/wonder >>>>>> >>>>>> To deal with ajax-back-end-requests, we currently use : >>>>>> - AjaxModaDialog >>>>>> - AjaxUpdateContainer >>>>>> - AjaxUpdateLink >>>>>> - AjaxObserveField >>>>>> - AjaxSubmitButton >>>>>> - AjaxLongResponse >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you deal with Ajax ? Still use wonder with prototype ? Any new >>>>>> idea ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jérémy >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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