I just wanted to add one last thing; thanks to Zachary McCune as well for coming and engaging with the community on this. I imagine that it may have felt like marching into the jaws of the beast to come and deal with the criticism, so I have to give him much respect for coming and engaging. I hope to see more of this rather than less in the future.
Cheers, Craig On 2 March 2017 at 19:09, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> wrote: > Hi Anna, > > Thanks for offering your thoughts on this (and I mean that sincerely). > Lord knows that sometimes the temperature on this list and in other venues > rises to a point where no communication of substance can occur, and all > that is achieved is that everyone walks away with bruised egos and hurt > feelings. Obviously this is not good. > > But, let me turn around your email; it's also pretty demoralising for us > on the other side of the equation when we're described as a bunch who > 'wants great talent to walk' because we see 'no point to the foundation > anyway'. Especially in this particular thread where I see naught but > respectful yet widespread criticism of the tone of some of the annual > report. I *know* you're not trying to shut down the discussion here, or > retreat into a defensive position with your fingers stick in your ears, but > that is what it *felt* like reading your email, and that is just as much a > problem. > > I concur with you that the way that the community communicates with the > Foundation needs to improve. But from the Foundation's side, you need to > make it easier for us to communicate in a constructive way. That includes > not having discussions around things like values sequestered away on some > corner at Meta in a densely written essay that might be difficult for > non-English speakers or those not familiar with the philosophical issues > around values and corporate ethics to engage fully. > > To make this email not all doom-and-gloom, I want to agree with something > that SJ said; the actual visual presentation and layout of the report is > fantastic. Very striking, easy to read, minimalist without being sparse. > My hat is off to whomever in the Communication team was involved with that > side of things. > > Cheers, > Craig > > On 2 March 2017 at 17:46, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> We (people who work and volunteer at the WMF) need a way to get feedback. >> We need a way to be accountable and responsive. We all want that. And I >> actually believe that we are all working in good faith toward that. *And* >> the cumulative impact of the way people at the Foundation get this >> feedback >> begins to feel like public, collective punishment. And that dynamic, one >> that we all tend to participate in, is driving talented people away from >> the foundation. > > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
