With all the clamoring for transparency, has anyone considered the privacy implications for publicly documenting every complaint against a Phabricator user? That seems like it could have just as much of a chilling effect on participation, if not more, than the idea that you can be blocked for being rude.
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:05 PM Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I very much agree that profanity should not be used around Wikimedia, but > there's a large gap between "things we ideally wouldn't have", "things an > employee of a Wikimedia institution should be fired for", and "things a > volunteer contributor should be blocked for" (in that order). (The acronym > "wtf" has been used 532 times on Phabricator according to search results > (including some by the relevant CoCC members), and 10 times fully spelled > out.) > > Just to remind everyone of some background, the CoC came into existence > after having a policy tag edit-warred onto it after a non-consensus-backed > discussion regarding a particular section was self-closed as consensus > reached for the entire document, attempting to establish an unaccountable > and secretive Committee that may ban users for any of a number of extremely > vaguely worded violations including "attempting to circumvent a decision of > the Committee", appoints its own members (none of which were > community-selected), can veto any changes to the CoC, and recently claimed > absolute authority over all development-oriented spaces on all Wikimedia > projects (including VPT, gadget/script/module talk pages) on a "consensus" > of a single user. It's quite clearly a completely illegitimate institution. > > But leaving all that aside, this was a terrible decision. I recommend an > immediate unblock. > > -- Yair Rand > > > > 2018-08-08 13:02 GMT-04:00 David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com>: > > > In general I would prefer to keep vulgar language out of the projects, as > > it doesn't bring anything positive. > > Research shows that swearing causes stress [1], and there are many ways > of > > showing dissatisfaction without using coarse language. > > > > For instance, I would appreciate if there would be more interest in using > > Nonviolent Communication, as it is more effective in getting the message > > across than with negativity. > > Introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-129JLTjkQ > > > > Regards, > > Micru > > > > > > [1] http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/ > > journal.pone.0022341 > > > > On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 5:53 PM Bináris <wikipo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > That's what I called a very first world problem. > > > This happens when American culture and behavioral standard is extended > to > > > an international community. > > > It is not rally polite to write that F-thing (how many times has it > been > > > written directly or abbreviated or indirectly in this very > discussion?). > > > But to ban a member of the technical community from the working > > environment > > > is really harmful. > > > Although we do block people from editing Wikipedia, too, but we do it > > > publicly, clearly, comparably, and by the rules of the local community, > > not > > > by hidden rules of admin board. And not for one ugly word. > > > This secret banning undermines the community, and therefore it is > > > destructive. > > > > > > Additionally, as code of conduxt itself was discussed here, the coc > file > > > case was discussed here a few weeks ago, and this is the place where > most > > > Phabricatos users communicate, this is a good place to discuss this > > case, > > > too. Publicity is good. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > -- > > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
