I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It is not for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's only practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput clients.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 > just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a new > profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As > far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is > not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move that > I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. > Scriv > > > Clint Ricker wrote: >> Tom, >> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in terms >> of >> deliverables. >> >> My main point is more that communications in marketing often involves >> using >> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your product. >> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business and >> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the reality is that >> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your product. >> >> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting something that >> it >> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't advocate and, >> in >> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the deliverables, >> in >> that sense. >> >> Thanks, >> Clint Ricker >> -Kentnis Technologies >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to expand with >>> new >>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he uses of >>> Press >>> Releases. >>> >>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings regarding the >>> release. >>> >>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest state of >>> the >>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>> >>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false conclusion. >>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in the public >>> eye. >>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>> characteristics >>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is misled to >>> think >>> the service is something more than it really is. >>> >>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its not >>> illegal. >>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any different >>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press releases? Maybe >>> just >>> clever marketing? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>> >>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for marketing and >>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in technology? >>>> >>> If >>> >>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their target >>>> market >>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their customers >>>> >>> are >>> >>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their bandwidth is >>>> coming >>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks like a >>>> >>> duck >>> >>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call it a duck >>>> and >>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists when they >>>> >>> grow >>> >>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>> >>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, this is a >>>> complete absurdity. >>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the concept--which >>>> is, >>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do better >>>> >>> then >>> >>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic Transport >>>> Solutions". >>>> >>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell "VoIP" >>>> with >>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get digitized, >>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes that no one >>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time they make >>>> >>> even >>> >>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while definitely >>>> not >>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>> technical >>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a short amount >>>> >>> of >>> >>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to sell >>>> "telephone >>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>> >>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better because he >>>> >>> calls >>> >>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>> >>> pre-release >>> >>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, that >>>> involves >>>> communication. Using language that people can understand sells >>>> products >>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your objective >>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to using >>>> language >>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>> >>>> -Clint Ricker >>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>> >>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff like >>>>> this >>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is and >>>>> isn't). >>>>> I >>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, but it >>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>> >>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, just >>>>> >>> making >>> >>>>> a >>>>> point. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout New >>>>> >>> WiMAX >>> >>>>> Service >>>>> Importance: Low >>>>> >>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the US >>>>>> >>>>> because >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for 3.65 GHz >>>>>> >>>>> should >>>>> >>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly non-interoperable). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention protocol" >>>>> requirement. 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