Exactly. What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city?
What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in urban > areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What problem > does this platform solve under that scenario? > Scriv > > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It is >> not >> for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's only >> practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput >> clients. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >> >> >> >>> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 >>> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a new >>> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As >>> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is >>> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move that >>> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> Clint Ricker wrote: >>> >>>> Tom, >>>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in >>>> terms >>>> of >>>> deliverables. >>>> >>>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often involves >>>> using >>>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your >>>> product. >>>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business and >>>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the reality is >>>> that >>>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >>>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your product. >>>> >>>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting something >>>> that >>>> it >>>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't advocate >>>> and, >>>> in >>>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the >>>> deliverables, >>>> in >>>> that sense. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Clint Ricker >>>> -Kentnis Technologies >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to expand with >>>>> new >>>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he uses of >>>>> Press >>>>> Releases. >>>>> >>>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings regarding >>>>> the >>>>> release. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest state >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>>>> >>>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false conclusion. >>>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in the >>>>> public >>>>> eye. >>>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>>>> characteristics >>>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is misled to >>>>> think >>>>> the service is something more than it really is. >>>>> >>>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its not >>>>> illegal. >>>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any >>>>> different >>>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press releases? >>>>> Maybe >>>>> just >>>>> clever marketing? >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for marketing and >>>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in technology? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> If >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their target >>>>>> market >>>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their >>>>>> customers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> are >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their bandwidth is >>>>>> coming >>>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks like a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> duck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call it a >>>>>> duck >>>>>> and >>>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists when they >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> grow >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, this is >>>>>> a >>>>>> complete absurdity. >>>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the >>>>>> concept--which >>>>>> is, >>>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do better >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> then >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic >>>>>> Transport >>>>>> Solutions". >>>>>> >>>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell "VoIP" >>>>>> with >>>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get digitized, >>>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes that no >>>>>> one >>>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time they make >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> even >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while >>>>>> definitely >>>>>> not >>>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>>>> technical >>>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a short >>>>>> amount >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to sell >>>>>> "telephone >>>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>>>> >>>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better because he >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> calls >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pre-release >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, that >>>>>> involves >>>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand sells >>>>>> products >>>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your objective >>>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to using >>>>>> language >>>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Clint Ricker >>>>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is and >>>>>>> isn't). >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, but >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> making >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout New >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> WiMAX >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Service >>>>>>> Importance: Low >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the US >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for 3.65 GHz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly non-interoperable). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention protocol" >>>>>>> requirement. However, if the radio implements contention then it >>>>>>> won't >>>>>>> be restricted to the lower 25Mhz. As of today, only WiMAX radios >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> been certified for 3.65Ghz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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