Yeah. I just talked to Nusrat about that last week. I think I've had ONE box that didn't come in all broken up. I save all of the old pieces so I can fix them. I do NOT keep the cable in the box either. It's a PITA but the cable is so nice otherwise.
My next project will be to build a cable rack for it. A lot of electricians use them. Just a "tool" kit with a handle on top and a removable pipe that you can slide the spool on. He did tell me that he would talk to his manufacturer about making spoolless boxes. I asked for a mechanism like the Carlson Rabbit Pull cable boxes. I love those. Less junk to throw away, lighter, smaller boxes. And very rarely a problem with how the cable spools out. laters, marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayson Baker" <jay...@spectrasurf.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > Marlon, > > We used to use the Shireen cable, but almost every single box we got (even > we ordering 10+ at a time) had busted up plastic reels inside. > A busted reel means you have a $150 boat anchor. Installers hate dealing > with it, and you usually end up with ugly twisted cable all over someones > house. > > Where do you buy your from? Direct? Have you ever had issues with broken > plastic reels inside? I assume you UPS Ground ship them? > > Jayson > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > <o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote: > >> Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I >> HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the >> light colors apart. >> >> For cable I've been using Shireen. >> http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 >> >> He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I >> sure >> do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel >> filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of >> outer jacket. And the "gel" is dry!!!! It doesn't make a mess of your >> hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the >> area, >> forcing the water out. >> >> We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. >> >> I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on >> nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. >> >> I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather >> have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also in >> a >> nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of >> years >> ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water >> in >> the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and >> the >> corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's >> a >> little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of >> re-cabling houses. >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have >> >> >> >I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling >> >if >> > you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that >> > stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo >> > >> > >> > Daniel White >> > 3-dB Networks >> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> > >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >>Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >> >>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM >> >>To: WISPA General List >> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have >> >> >> >>But you're missing the point. >> >>Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard >> >>CAT5s >> >>effectively. >> >>But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other >> >>costs. >> >>The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, >> >>comparing >> >>both types. >> >>The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. >> >> >> >>What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and >> >>the >> >>link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the >> >>cable >> >>had the bad crimp? >> >>A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and >> >>replace >> >>it. >> >>I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into >> >>the >> >>city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by >> >>defective >> >>CAT5 plug terminations. >> >>But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the >> >>defective >> >>packloss link trying to find what was wrong. >> >> >> >>I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . >> >>The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is >> >>going >> >>down. >> >> >> >>The question to ask is.... are the installers having to high a failure >> >>rate >> >>for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. >> >>As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the >> >>extra >> >>$100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful >> >>crimpts >> >>the first time. >> >>I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra >> >>$100 >> >>in >> >>time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. >> >> >> >>For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value >> >>of >> >>Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to >> >>use >> >>the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. >> >>Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier >> >>and >> >>successful. >> >> >> >>I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole >> >>diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that >> >>they'll >> >>slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. >> >>(Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the >> >>Jack, >> >>due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. >> >> >> >>I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept >> >>loosing >> >>the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that >> >>would >> >>be incomplete set. >> >> >> >> >> >>Tom DeReggi >> >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> >>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM >> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have >> >> >> >> >> >>> At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month. Don't >> >>> see >> >>> this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors. >> >>> >> >>> On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: >> >>>> These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my >> >>installers... >> >>>> but >> >>>> $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra >> >>$200 >> >>>> per month just in connectors. :( >> >>>> >> >>>> Travis >> >>>> Microserv >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 >> >>>>> Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as >> >>well. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> marlon >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>> From: "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> >> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM >> >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real >> >>>>>>> talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which >> >>>>>>> just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial >> >>to >> >>>>>>> list participants in general if there was a thread which >> >>>>>>> contained >> >>a >> >>>>>>> description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, >> >>>>>>> software etc ... you would like to share with the group. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'll start: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> what: EZRJ-45 connector system >> >>>>>>> where: www.ezrj45.com >> >>>>>>> why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light >> >>situations, I >> >>>>>>> find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on >> >>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a >> >>quite >> >>>>>>> ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You >> >>can >> >>>>>>> verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the >> >>>>>>> tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades >> >>that >> >>>>>>> cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. 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