I'm gonna have to set up the environment again. Only thing I cant simulate right now is distance.
As long as it wasnt some voodoo config setting that made it work better, I might have to play with the Mobile NS2's settings for it to play nicely. OT: What is CCQ? -Israel Josh Luthman wrote: > It is very weird isn't it? > > Vi is better the Emacs. > > On 11/22/09, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: > >> Josh: >> >> I thought that too. I have a handful of customers on a 5 MHz >> sector. Winbox shows this: >> >> Emacs! >> >> >> Mike >> >> At 07:32 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: >> >>> I believe when you half the channels the rates also get halved - from >>> 54mbit >>> to 27mbit max (that is from 20mhz to 10mhz channels). >>> >>> I also can't see why you're voice would be having problems in half or >>> quarter channels unless there is a software bug. It should only improve >>> unless you're using all available bandwidth. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >>> --- Albert Einstein >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> First, you should have a better signal than -70 at <5Miles away with a >>>> 24dB/NS2 antenna and a B2HP/9dB omni. I get 65 or better with a 19dB >>>> panel. >>>> >>>> Don't forget, 10MHz channel is 1/2 available bandwidth and 5MHz is 1/4 >>>> available bandwidth. Really, you will get about 7-10MBit aggregate >>>> (depending on how many customers) on a 5MHz channel connected at 54MBit, >>>> which requires signals at -74dBm with a good fade margin (10dB). Also, >>>> the TX power is significantly less for 54MBps (23dBm) vs 24MBps(28dBm), >>>> less than half. Likely, you are connecting at 48MBps or 36Mbps, which >>>> at that rate your total available "real case" bandwidth is as little as >>>> 4MBps, while at 20MHz you are at 15+. >>>> >>>> A narrower channel should not affect your transmission, likely will make >>>> signals better, roughly double (+3dBm) from 20-10, and double from >>>> 10-5(total +6dBm). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck Hogg >>>> Shelby Broadband >>>> 502-722-9292 >>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:20 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice? >>>> >>>> Well next time definitely bring more food! Beef jerky and granola bars. >>>> >>>> In my testing the narrower channels just made things slower. I was >>>> testing in a pristine area where there was no other 5.8GHz going on. >>>> >From what I hear if the environment had been polluted performance might >>>> have actually gone up with the narrower channels. >>>> >>>> >From what I've read narrower channels doesn't effect packet size or >>>> transport. But switching to WDS bridged does. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Its not in the field, but it is sitting here in my bedroom looking >>>>> >>>> cool :). >>>> >>>>> I was thinking that using the 10/5MHz bandwidth required one to setup >>>>> something else. I'm not that familiar with the use of half/quarter >>>>> >>>> rate >>>> >>>>> channels and how that affects the frame transport/packet size etc,. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if it was environment based rather than >>>>> 'software/configuration' based. If I get some time this evening I >>>>> >>>> might >>>> >>>>> setup the gear again for more focused testing (Testing in the field >>>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>>> volunteers who are cold and hungry dont usually respond well to >>>>> >>>> testing >>>> >>>>> plans). >>>>> >>>>> -Israel >>>>> >>>>> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just for kicks I'd try WDS bridged. Do you have control from where >>>>>> >>>> you're at now? Is the equipment still set up? >>>> >>>>>> Greg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> @Travis Johnson - Yes Upgraded to newest firmware for the two units >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @os10rules - Nope, Fixed was simple AP and Mobile was Station modes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Running WDS bridged? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) with some >>>>>>>>> Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 & Bullet2HP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One thing that was surprising was the performance degradation when >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw Bandwidth >>>>>>>>> Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 Voice >>>>>>>>> >>>> Call), >>>> >>>>>>>>> and MTR (Latency, Jitter) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the tech >>>>>>>>> >>>> team, but >>>> >>>>>>>>> we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth our >>>>>>>>> >>>> voice >>>> >>>>>>>>> calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to Mobile I >>>>>>>>> >>>> could >>>> >>>>>>>>> hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice was >>>>>>>>> >>>> choppy. >>>> >>>>>>>>> We started to get packet loss & massive jitter on 10MHz, just >>>>>>>>> >>>> going back >>>> >>>>>>>>> to 20MHz made the links stable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fixed Station: On a mountain side - HPOL 9dBI Omni Directional >>>>>>>>> >>>> with a >>>> >>>>>>>>> Bullet2HP @400mW >>>>>>>>> Mobile Station: 8km away near large body of water - Bullet2HP >>>>>>>>> >>>> @400mW w/ >>>> >>>>>>>>> 24dBi Directional (HPOL Alignment) -70dbm RSSI >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any ideas? We are planning on using 10MHz channels & H-Pol to >>>>>>>>> >>>> combat >>>> >>>>>>>>> any future spectrum pollution and voice calls over this network is >>>>>>>>> >>>> expected. >>>> >>>>>>>>> -Israel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -------- >>>> >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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