I said that at 1M subscribers. Diablo II was 50 one time and seemed to be better made to me.
On 2/15/10, Philip Dorr <[email protected]> wrote: > 12M subscribers * $15 per month=$180M per month > Assuming 50% for wages and server/bandwidth costs that is still $90M per > month. > Another 20% for layers and 10% for the management and there is still > $36M per month. > Even if there was only 1% left over that is $1.8M per month to play > with just from WoW. > > With that much coming in it should be better than it is. > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected]> wrote: >> They announced they broke 12M actually. >> >> On 2/15/10, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> You might be off on your tens of thousands within hours bit with WoW... >>> There's 11.5M as of the end of 2008 that use the service and most are >>> addicts... I'd be wiling to say 2M within the first couple hours and 6M >>> in >>> the first day. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Eje Gustafsson" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:57 PM >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents >>> >>>> Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and >>>> distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically >>>> you >>>> start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is >>>> available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts >>>> once >>>> it >>>> is done. >>>> >>>> ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have >>>> fast >>>> speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you >>>> good >>>> speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. >>>> ISO >>>> downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when >>>> you >>>> deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. >>>> >>>> Other adoptions.... >>>> BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing >>>> popular content with their torrent system >>>> Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ >>>> albums. >>>> The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to >>>> distribute >>>> hundreds of video recordings of live shows. >>>> Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute >>>> hundreds of demos and live videos. >>>> Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent >>>> Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help >>>> broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 "radio" programs. >>>> For >>>> example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files >>>> from >>>> RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. >>>> Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only >>>> platform >>>> to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their >>>> music, videos etc. >>>> In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent >>>> >>>> CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available >>>> for >>>> download using BitTorrent >>>> NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented >>>> with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all >>>> royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/) >>>> VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative >>>> Commons license using Mininova. >>>> >>>> Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in >>>> BitTorrent >>>> support >>>> Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker >>>> on >>>> their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can >>>> access >>>> picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. >>>> >>>> As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in >>>> BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. >>>> Some >>>> of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and >>>> distribute >>>> of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will >>>> have tens of thousands people that will download said update within >>>> hours. >>>> Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and >>>> download >>>> a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. >>>> >>>> Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent >>>> basically >>>> to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly >>>> when >>>> a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or >>>> thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't >>>> mind >>>> to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version >>>> is >>>> available as well. >>>> >>>> So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to >>>> totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay >>>> you >>>> to get access to data what they access is after all really not your >>>> responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that >>>> they >>>> have good access and get what they pay for which means control and >>>> maintain >>>> network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is >>>> good >>>> for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially >>>> when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government >>>> to >>>> step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed >>>> or >>>> especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and >>>> very >>>> upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide >>>> it >>>> in >>>> a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user >>>> sign >>>> it >>>> but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in >>>> deep >>>> waters. >>>> I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do >>>> throttle >>>> it >>>> and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps >>>> shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data >>>> transfers >>>> is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above >>>> fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download >>>> things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my >>>> available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone >>>> is >>>> happy. >>>> >>>> / Eje >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents >>>> >>>> I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the >>>> majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream >>>> protocol >>>> that needs to be supported. >>>> >>>> Wow patches? Here's some HTTP mirrors... >>>> http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors >>>> >>>> MT updates? Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need. >>>> >>>> *nix distros? Click the HTTP links above or below it. >>>> >>>> These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, >>>> without >>>> answer, for other examples. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>> continue >>>> that counts." >>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent. >>>>> >>>>> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with >>>>> the AP they are on. We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and >>>>> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz >>>>> APs. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik. What else that you would go >>>>> > under oath saying you torrented? >>>>> > >>>>> > On 2/14/10, Robert West <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing. But >>>>> >> "allowing" >>>>> >> means no 24 hour downloading. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via >>>>> >> torrent. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Bob- >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> >> On >>>>> >> Behalf Of RickG >>>>> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM >>>>> >> To: WISPA General List >>>>> >> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer >>>>> >> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am >>>>> >> I >>>>> >> being over >>>>> >> zealous on not allowing torrents? 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