They announced they broke 12M actually. On 2/15/10, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: > You might be off on your tens of thousands within hours bit with WoW... > There's 11.5M as of the end of 2008 that use the service and most are > addicts... I'd be wiling to say 2M within the first couple hours and 6M in > the first day. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Eje Gustafsson" <e...@wisp-router.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:57 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents > >> Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and >> distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically >> you >> start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is >> available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once >> it >> is done. >> >> ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast >> speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you >> good >> speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. >> ISO >> downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you >> deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. >> >> Other adoptions.... >> BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing >> popular content with their torrent system >> Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. >> The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to >> distribute >> hundreds of video recordings of live shows. >> Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute >> hundreds of demos and live videos. >> Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent >> Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help >> broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 "radio" programs. For >> example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from >> RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. >> Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only >> platform >> to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their >> music, videos etc. >> In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent >> >> CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available >> for >> download using BitTorrent >> NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented >> with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all >> royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/) >> VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative >> Commons license using Mininova. >> >> Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent >> support >> Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on >> their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access >> picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. >> >> As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in >> BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. >> Some >> of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and >> distribute >> of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will >> have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. >> Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and >> download >> a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. >> >> Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically >> to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly >> when >> a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or >> thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't >> mind >> to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version >> is >> available as well. >> >> So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to >> totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay >> you >> to get access to data what they access is after all really not your >> responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they >> have good access and get what they pay for which means control and >> maintain >> network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is >> good >> for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially >> when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to >> step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or >> especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and >> very >> upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it >> in >> a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign >> it >> but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep >> waters. >> I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle >> it >> and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps >> shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data >> transfers >> is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above >> fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download >> things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my >> available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is >> happy. >> >> / Eje >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents >> >> I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the >> majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol >> that needs to be supported. >> >> Wow patches? Here's some HTTP mirrors... >> http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors >> >> MT updates? Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need. >> >> *nix distros? Click the HTTP links above or below it. >> >> These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, >> without >> answer, for other examples. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >> that counts." >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr >> <wirel...@judgementgaming.com>wrote: >> >>> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent. >>> >>> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with >>> the AP they are on. We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and >>> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz >>> APs. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman >>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik. What else that you would go >>> > under oath saying you torrented? >>> > >>> > On 2/14/10, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >>> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing. But >>> >> "allowing" >>> >> means no 24 hour downloading. >>> >> >>> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via >>> >> torrent. >>> >> >>> >> Bob- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >> On >>> >> Behalf Of RickG >>> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM >>> >> To: WISPA General List >>> >> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents >>> >> >>> >> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer >>> >> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I >>> >> being over >>> >> zealous on not allowing torrents? 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