12M subscribers * $15 per month=$180M per month Assuming 50% for wages and server/bandwidth costs that is still $90M per month. Another 20% for layers and 10% for the management and there is still $36M per month. Even if there was only 1% left over that is $1.8M per month to play with just from WoW.
With that much coming in it should be better than it is. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > They announced they broke 12M actually. > > On 2/15/10, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> You might be off on your tens of thousands within hours bit with WoW... >> There's 11.5M as of the end of 2008 that use the service and most are >> addicts... I'd be wiling to say 2M within the first couple hours and 6M in >> the first day. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Eje Gustafsson" <e...@wisp-router.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:57 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents >> >>> Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and >>> distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically >>> you >>> start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is >>> available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once >>> it >>> is done. >>> >>> ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast >>> speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you >>> good >>> speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. >>> ISO >>> downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you >>> deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. >>> >>> Other adoptions.... >>> BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing >>> popular content with their torrent system >>> Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. >>> The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to >>> distribute >>> hundreds of video recordings of live shows. >>> Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute >>> hundreds of demos and live videos. >>> Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent >>> Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help >>> broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 "radio" programs. For >>> example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from >>> RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. >>> Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only >>> platform >>> to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their >>> music, videos etc. >>> In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent >>> >>> CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available >>> for >>> download using BitTorrent >>> NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented >>> with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all >>> royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/) >>> VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative >>> Commons license using Mininova. >>> >>> Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent >>> support >>> Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on >>> their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access >>> picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. >>> >>> As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in >>> BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. >>> Some >>> of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and >>> distribute >>> of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will >>> have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. >>> Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and >>> download >>> a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. >>> >>> Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically >>> to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly >>> when >>> a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or >>> thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't >>> mind >>> to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version >>> is >>> available as well. >>> >>> So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to >>> totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay >>> you >>> to get access to data what they access is after all really not your >>> responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they >>> have good access and get what they pay for which means control and >>> maintain >>> network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is >>> good >>> for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially >>> when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to >>> step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or >>> especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and >>> very >>> upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it >>> in >>> a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign >>> it >>> but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep >>> waters. >>> I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle >>> it >>> and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps >>> shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data >>> transfers >>> is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above >>> fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download >>> things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my >>> available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is >>> happy. >>> >>> / Eje >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents >>> >>> I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the >>> majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol >>> that needs to be supported. >>> >>> Wow patches? Here's some HTTP mirrors... >>> http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors >>> >>> MT updates? Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need. >>> >>> *nix distros? Click the HTTP links above or below it. >>> >>> These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, >>> without >>> answer, for other examples. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts." >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr >>> <wirel...@judgementgaming.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent. >>>> >>>> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with >>>> the AP they are on. We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and >>>> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz >>>> APs. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik. What else that you would go >>>> > under oath saying you torrented? >>>> > >>>> > On 2/14/10, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >>>> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing. But >>>> >> "allowing" >>>> >> means no 24 hour downloading. >>>> >> >>>> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via >>>> >> torrent. >>>> >> >>>> >> Bob- >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >> On >>>> >> Behalf Of RickG >>>> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM >>>> >> To: WISPA General List >>>> >> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents >>>> >> >>>> >> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer >>>> >> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I >>>> >> being over >>>> >> zealous on not allowing torrents? 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