Well, define "big plan". In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at 2m, everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients out of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, completely. There's just no more bit delivery available. New demands come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds.
In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone throw in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the throughput diminishes a little. My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having issues with watching video, etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those > two > couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, > however). > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: >>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do >>> it >>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy >>> at >>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to >>> around 20% of my clients. >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>> >>>>>> mc >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >>>>>> <jay...@spectrasurf.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo >>>>>>> gets >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a >>>>>>>> 300K >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you >>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the >>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area >>>>>>>> > and >>>>>>>> > mailed >>>>>>>> > out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being >>>>>>>> > a >>>>>>>> > promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they >>>>>>>> > will >>>>>>>> > not >>>>>>>> > raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. 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