Dear Forbes and Subscribers of this List, First off, if I sent this to two lists, I apologize as that was not my intent. All I did was hit reply and GMail did the rest. Secondly, I agree "WE" should keep this list on topic. But that means "EVERYONE"! It is unfair for one to be allowed to take a political potshot and not scolded while another is not chastised. I consider myself a hard working (yes, look at the time stamp on this email) American Patriot who loves this country and find it very difficult to watch others slap it around with their political opinions embedded into a post to this list. Sorry, but once in a while, I cant help but defend our way of freedom. In case you missed the original post, here it is again:
"Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made "broadband" a human right. I'd argue that "healthcare" (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end." Now, please tell me if you can where my post is less political than the above? I rest my case. -RickG On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Forbes Mercy <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> wrote: > Rick, > > Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it > was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is > now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually > degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately > cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We > consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many > discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because > someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an > advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better > rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across > our lists having cc'd this to two WISPA lists, their fine for lists that > advocate politics but not here. I'd like to ask the brakes to be put on > here so we can return to the business of being a WISP driven list on > helping other WISP's, I appreciate you respecting this request. > > Forbes Mercy > Promotion Committee Chair > > On 8/3/2010 9:45 AM, RickG wrote: >> With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health >> care! In addition, we're supposed to be a "FREE" country, at least the >> "freest" (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we >> please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health >> insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country >> stands for. >> As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My >> wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how >> government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They >> could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately >> the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the >> ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay >> our monthly health insurance premiums! >> As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need >> more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. >> I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they >> answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two >> providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from >> entering our market and let the price war begin? >> Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as >> "unalienable rights" and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com >> IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a >> right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health >> care! >> Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no >> choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves >> huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. >> >> -Rick Gunderson >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldstein<fgoldst...@ionary.com> >> wrote: >> >>> At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> >>> yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc >>> Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with >>> a few hundred thousand out of pocket. >>> Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant >>> afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of >>> it. >>> Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go >>> insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than >>> fore go insurance. >>> Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it >>> somewhat ironic that some countries have made "broadband" a human right. I'd >>> argue that "healthcare" (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be >>> made a human right. >>> >>> Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made >>> health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it >>> as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion >>> thereof) are merely a means to that end. >>> >>> BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole >>> proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the "connector" >>> rate (the model for the "exchanges", but really an assigned-risk pool). And >>> it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in >>> other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state >>> intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, >>> I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there >>> is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. >>> >>> But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting >>> their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? >>> >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Cameron Crum >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance >>> >>> Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for >>> years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside >>> un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him >>> and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his >>> pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water >>> (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or >>> permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in >>> the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the >>> doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down >>> to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I >>> would have had to pay the full $5000 or $10000 deductable. So in this case >>> it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the >>> doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. >>> My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, >>> paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll >>> probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the >>> doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than >>> to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you >>> guys posted... >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG<rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their >>> standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a >>> discount, especially on "in network" doctors. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers<bbow...@mozarks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the >>>> quoted rate is. >>>> >>>> Hospital is pretty much the same way. >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't take your organs to heaven, >>>> heaven knows we need them down here! >>>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz"<fai...@snappydsl.net> >>>> To:<wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... >>>>> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance >>>>> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a >>>>> reasonable bill.. >>>>> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill >>>>>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. >>>>>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of >>>>>> the amount the bill was for. >>>>>> >>> -- >>> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >>> +1 617 795 2701 >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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