This is not the list to debate those issues, so let's cut it off now. At 8/3/2010 12:45 PM, RickG wrote: >With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health >care! In addition, we're supposed to be a "FREE" country, at least the >"freest" (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we >please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health >insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country >stands for. >As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My >wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how >government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They >could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately >the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the >ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay >our monthly health insurance premiums! >As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need >more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. >I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they >answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two >providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from >entering our market and let the price war begin? >Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as >"unalienable rights" and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com >IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a >right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health >care! >Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no >choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves >huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. > >-Rick Gunderson > >On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldstein <fgoldst...@ionary.com> wrote: > > At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > > > > yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc > > Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with > > a few hundred thousand out of pocket. > > Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant > > afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the > reality of > > it. > > Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go > > insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than > > fore go insurance. > > Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it > > somewhat ironic that some countries have made "broadband" a human > right. I'd > > argue that "healthcare" (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be > > made a human right. > > > > Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made > > health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it > > as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion > > thereof) are merely a means to that end. > > > > BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole > > proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the "connector" > > rate (the model for the "exchanges", but really an assigned-risk > pool). And > > it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in > > other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state > > intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, > > I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there > > is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. > > > > But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting > > their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? > > > > > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cameron Crum > > To: WISPA General List > > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance > > > > Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for > > years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside > > un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him > > and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his > > pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water > > (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or > > permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in > > the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the > > doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get > my bill down > > to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I > > would have had to pay the full $5000 or $10000 deductable. So in this case > > it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the > > doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. > > My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, > > paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll > > probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more > trips to the > > doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than > > to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you > > guys posted... > > > > Cameron > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their > > standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a > > discount, especially on "in network" doctors. > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers <bbow...@mozarks.com> wrote: > >> We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the > >> quoted rate is. > >> > >> Hospital is pretty much the same way. > >> > >> > >> Don't take your organs to heaven, > >> heaven knows we need them down here! > >> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappydsl.net> > >> To: <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance > >> > >> > >>> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... > >>> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance > >>> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a > >>> reasonable bill.. > >>> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. > >>> > >>> Faisal Imtiaz > >>> Snappy Internet& Telecom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: > >>>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill > >>>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. > >>>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of > >>>> the amount the bill was for. > > > > -- > > Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com > > ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ > > +1 617 795 2701 > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >WISPA Wants You! 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