At 8/3/2010 07:39 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >Anyone got a 10-foot-pole that I could use to NOT touch this with? > >Anyone? Anyone?
It was suggested that we get hold of some of those hollow fiberglass insulating poles that electric linemen use for remotely pushing around the primary wires (15-25kV) atop the poles. By mounting an antenna at one end and putting that above the primary, we could put the radios themselves at the other end, in the "safe" comms space. That's about what would be needed for this discussion. IMHO it's relevant to talk about issues of *direct* policy concern to WISPs, such as the FCC and their policies. And it's relevant to talk about how to cope with broader business issues, like getting health insurance. But to have general opinion discussions about a politically-charged complex issue like health insurance is not just to risk a rat hole, but to dive head first down one. Farther than even a lineman's pole could reach. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MDK" <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:26 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance > > > >I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason... Health > > Care IS NOW a political topic. So is broadband. So is internet network > > operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing > > someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, > > so > > are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. > > > > I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be > > brought upon us. 20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above > > was > > or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely > > are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. > > > > This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those > > interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. > > In > > fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives > > political. > > > > Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer > > based health care, but some of it's purely political now. Any > > discussion > > of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a > > weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even > > arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to > > reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to > > the > > point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss > > customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do > > miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by > > necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. > > > > So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political > > intrusions into our business. Might as well say that we can't express > > opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's > > or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, > > as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our > > business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a > > group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even > > consideration to where that leads us. > > > > It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant > > and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a > > political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be > > given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the "there is > > only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is "politically > > correct" and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And > > usually, > > that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never > > challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. > > > > I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they > > have > > to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of > > our > > business. I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be > > ideological, huh. > > > > Sigh..... > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Forbes Mercy" <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:45 AM > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>; <memb...@wispa.org> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance > > > >> Rick, > >> > >> Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it > >> was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is > >> now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually > >> degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately > >> cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We > >> consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many > >> discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because > >> someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an > >> advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better > >> rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wants You! 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