Sounds like you need to have someone come visit the network in person.
There has to be a reasonable explination for what is going on your
network, and i posit that no device you find is going to work right
till that root cause is found.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Forbes Mercy
<forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> wrote:
> I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I
> stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped,
> if I can't depend on it I don't want it.  THEN I'll have time to route the
> network.  I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things
> ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much.
>
> On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I agree with Travis.
>
> Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you
> would do at the edge between you and your upstream.  Your APs, backhauls and
> other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc
>
> I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router,
> Butch's template and forget about it.  If you do have an issue (IMO it will
> be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making
> changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc.
>
> I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router.  When I did,
> it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik.
>
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> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I
>> have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer
>> radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues
>> you describe.
>>
>> Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has
>> thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily
>> basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware
>> upgrades).
>>
>> Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or
>> you will continue to have more and more problems...
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>
>> Really Josh, you want me to rehash this?  To be simple I'm not a true
>> geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all.  Our network of 700
>> over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long
>> enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we
>> 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech).  We've found
>> that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four
>> of our towers have over that.  When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10%
>> Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms
>> started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning
>> off.  Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the
>> rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic
>> driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth
>> (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff).
>>
>> To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios.
>> Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take
>> down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new
>> word) regularity.  Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but
>> for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that
>> were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges.  We compensated by making a
>> path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the
>> disabled port/bridge) from either end.  We are spending all of our time
>> building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on
>> every outage Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or
>> turning off radios (disabling)  meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, ever.
>> So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only lose AP's and the
>> bandwidth manager.  Since the bandwidth manager takes the entire network
>> down we want replace it.  Now you're up to speed on where we are, I call
>> Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' mover, we have to stop our forward motion
>> on building and installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out
>> of this business thats for sure.
>>
>> Forbes
>>
>> On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work?
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, "Forbes Mercy" <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>
>> wrote:
>> > In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
>> > bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or
>> > bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm
>> > looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Forbes
>> >
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