Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend
money needlessly.
On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, "Forbes Mercy" <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
<mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>> wrote:
> I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch
> as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is
> stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time
> to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load
> got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down
> just too much.
>
> On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I agree with Travis.
>>
>> Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis,
>> you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs,
>> backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc
>>
>> I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT
>> router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue
>> (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs
>> into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list,
>> etc.
>>
>> I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I
>> did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>
>> <mailto:t...@ida.net <mailto:t...@ida.net>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are
>> running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000
>> Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy)
>> and have NONE of the issues you describe.
>>
>> Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it
>> has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x
>> 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right
>> now (due only to firmware upgrades).
>>
>> Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix
>> that, or you will continue to have more and more problems...
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>> Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a
>>> true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our
>>> network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't
>>> keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the
>>> growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a
>>> day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get
>>> over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our
>>> towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that
>>> 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the
>>> packet storms started, then radios started doing weird
>>> intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious,
>>> change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network
>>> but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from
>>> our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we
>>> are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff).
>>>
>>> To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti
>>> radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure
>>> really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges
>>> now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the
>>> bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason
>>> the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were
>>> like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by
>>> making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we
>>> could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end.
>>> We are spending all of our time building redundant this and
>>> redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage
>>> Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning
>>> off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down,
>>> ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only
>>> lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager
>>> takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up
>>> to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum'
>>> mover, we have to stop our forward motion on building and
>>> installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out of
>>> this business thats for sure.
>>>
>>> Forbes
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work?
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, "Forbes Mercy"
>>>> <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com <mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>
>>>> <mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
<mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>>> wrote:
>>>> > In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop
>>>> for a new
>>>> > bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the
>>>> ports or
>>>> > bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week).
>>>> I'm
>>>> > looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any
>>>> suggestions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Forbes
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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