Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend money needlessly. On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, "Forbes Mercy" <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> wrote: > I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch > as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is > stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time > to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load > got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down > just too much. > > On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> I agree with Travis. >> >> Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, >> you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, >> backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc >> >> I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT >> router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue >> (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs >> into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, >> etc. >> >> I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I >> did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net >> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are >> running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 >> Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) >> and have NONE of the issues you describe. >> >> Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it >> has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x >> 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right >> now (due only to firmware upgrades). >> >> Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix >> that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> >> >> On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: >>> Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a >>> true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our >>> network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't >>> keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the >>> growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a >>> day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get >>> over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our >>> towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that >>> 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the >>> packet storms started, then radios started doing weird >>> intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, >>> change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network >>> but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from >>> our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we >>> are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). >>> >>> To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti >>> radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure >>> really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges >>> now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the >>> bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason >>> the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were >>> like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by >>> making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we >>> could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. >>> We are spending all of our time building redundant this and >>> redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage >>> Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning >>> off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, >>> ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only >>> lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager >>> takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up >>> to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' >>> mover, we have to stop our forward motion on building and >>> installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out of >>> this business thats for sure. >>> >>> Forbes >>> >>> On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>> >>>> Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work? >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, "Forbes Mercy" >>>> <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com >>>> <mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>> wrote: >>>> > In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop >>>> for a new >>>> > bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the >>>> ports or >>>> > bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). >>>> I'm >>>> > looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any >>>> suggestions. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > Forbes >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > WISPA Wants You! 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