> > I take the point of view that web pages are created to communicate with > your audience.
thats how I see it too, content is king I myself often have javascript and flash diasabled, so long as the content is available to the audience. 2008/5/6 Sven Dowideit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > yup, but then I take the point of view that web pages are created to > communicate with your audience. If people like me are part of your audience, > flash is pretty much unsuitable. > > That doesn't mean there aren't audiences for whom flash is the right > answer, just that thought and analysis are needed to make sure your > communication medium is appropriate to both your message and your audience. > > No different really from writing your web content in Latin :} > > sven > > kate wrote: > > > because users like Sven disable it by default > > No disrespect to Sven but that must be the pits to take the very long > > learning curve: > > Create the Flash: > > Then along comes 'A Visitor' and disable all your hard work..*doh > > Kate > > http://jungaling.com/bichons/ > > http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ > > http://simplyborneo.com/gardenforums/ > > http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Sam Sherlock <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org <mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:13 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Full flash websites > > > > As many have already commented I apply caution when using flash > > (because of it creates extra work, because users like Sven disable > > it by default and much more besides) > > > > The thing is some clients care initially more for the visual appeal > > (things bouncing around etc) of websites and not for features that > > improve the accessibility or user experience overall. > > > > others have made points about ensuring content is available to all. > > In a lot of cases it is possible to display the same content in a no > > flash format (server side scripting helps a great deal - not > > writing script srcs or codeblocks to the page [setting this in a > > user setting session var]) > > > > I make use of swfObject to replace a summary of the content that the > > swf displays, often with links to further info > > > > of the extent of work produced by this can mushroom, and become > > unwieldy. admittedly this is much easier if the site is not full > > browser flash, but if the site is small and all the content is > > loaded in dynamically > > > > Flash can recreate (often poorly) things that are achieved with > > traditional html - deep linking > > And this is then an aspect of the site that must be cared for, > > increasing the overall complexity (and therefore potential err) - > > there if a lot to bear in mind here > > > > also there is shadowbox (by Michael Jackson [not the former jackson > > 5 pop sensation]) that does a real nice job in displaying all > > kinds of content lightbox (lokesh dhakar) style of the page - this > > is what Ben Buchanan was refering to I think - > > http://mjijackson.com/shadowbox/index.html > > > > - S > > > > 2008/5/6 Ben Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > > > > > > > > > What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists > > think about full > > > flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for > > flash in > > > general?? > > > > Accessibility and search engine visibility of Flash in most > > cases is zero. I've only heard of one Flash site that was > > considered accessible and it made a lot of news at the time! > > > > Flash only reliably works for users with no physical or > > technical barriers; and search engines can't read Flash in any > > useful manner. I generally don't like the usability aspects > > either - that's subjective I guess, but I've found Flash is > > generally used when someone thought HTML didn't make them look > > cool enough. Which means they wanted lots of stuff to bounce and > > flash and so on ;) > > > > Essentially you should only ever add a Flash layer over the top > > of XHTML; and give users the choice between the two. Flash isn't > > evil, but *only offering Flash* is evil. > > > > -ben > > > > -- --- <http://weblog.200ok.com.au/> > > --- The future has arrived; it's just not > > --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: > > 05/05/2008 06:01 > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > -- > Professional Wiki Innovation and Support > Sven Dowideit - http://DistributedINFORMATION.com > A WikiRing Partner http://wikiring.com > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *******************************************************************
