>
> I take the point of view that web pages are created to communicate with
> your audience.


thats how I see it too, content is king


I myself often have javascript and flash diasabled, so long as the content
is available to the audience.


2008/5/6 Sven Dowideit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> yup, but then I take the point of view that web pages are created to
> communicate with your audience. If people like me are part of your audience,
> flash is pretty much unsuitable.
>
> That doesn't mean there aren't audiences for whom flash is the right
> answer, just that thought and analysis are needed to make sure your
> communication medium is appropriate to both your message and your audience.
>
> No different really from writing your web content in Latin :}
>
> sven
>
> kate wrote:
>
> > because users like Sven disable it by default
> >  No disrespect to Sven but that must be the pits to take the very long
> > learning curve:
> > Create the Flash:
> > Then along comes 'A Visitor' and disable all your hard work..*doh
> > Kate
> > http://jungaling.com/bichons/
> > http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/
> > http://simplyborneo.com/gardenforums/
> > http://jungaling.com/katesplace/
> >
> >    ----- Original Message -----
> >    *From:* Sam Sherlock <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >    *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org <mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> >    *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:13 AM
> >    *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
> >
> >    As many have already commented I apply caution when using flash
> >    (because of it creates extra work, because users like Sven disable
> >    it by default and much more besides)
> >
> >    The thing is some clients care initially more for the visual appeal
> >    (things bouncing around etc) of websites and not for features that
> >    improve the accessibility or user experience overall.
> >
> >    others have made points about ensuring content is available to all.
> >  In a lot of cases it is possible to display the same content in a no
> >    flash format  (server side scripting helps a great deal - not
> >    writing script srcs or codeblocks to the page  [setting this in a
> >    user setting session var])
> >
> >    I make use of swfObject to replace a summary of the content that the
> >    swf displays, often with links to further info
> >
> >    of the extent of work produced by this can mushroom, and become
> >    unwieldy.  admittedly this is much easier if the site is not full
> >    browser flash, but if the site is small and all the content is
> >    loaded in dynamically
> >
> >    Flash can recreate (often poorly) things that are achieved with
> >    traditional html  - deep linking
> >    And this is then an aspect of the site that must be cared for,
> >    increasing the overall complexity (and therefore potential err) -
> >    there if a lot to bear in mind here
> >
> >    also there is shadowbox (by Michael Jackson [not the former jackson
> >    5 pop sensation])   that does a real nice job in displaying all
> >    kinds of content lightbox (lokesh dhakar) style of the page - this
> >    is what Ben Buchanan was refering to  I think -
> >    http://mjijackson.com/shadowbox/index.html
> >
> >    - S
> >
> >    2008/5/6 Ben Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
> >
> >
> >
> >         > What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists
> >        think about full
> >         > flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for
> >        flash in
> >         > general??
> >
> >        Accessibility and search engine visibility of Flash in most
> >        cases is zero. I've only heard of one Flash site that was
> >        considered accessible and it made a lot of news at the time!
> >
> >        Flash only reliably works for users with no physical or
> >        technical barriers; and search engines can't read Flash in any
> >        useful manner. I generally don't like the usability aspects
> >        either - that's subjective I guess, but I've found Flash is
> >        generally used when someone thought HTML didn't make them look
> >        cool enough. Which means they wanted lots of stuff to bounce and
> >        flash and so on ;)
> >
> >        Essentially you should only ever add a Flash layer over the top
> >        of XHTML; and give users the choice between the two. Flash isn't
> >        evil, but *only offering Flash* is evil.
> >
> >        -ben
> >
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