Hi, Specifically, what is it that makes it true that “Apple mail if very good as a domestic mail client. It just didn't cut the mustard as a heavy mail user”?
On 05/10/2010 09:23, "Barry Wainwright" <[email protected]> wrote: > Ultimately, that's all that any of us can do - vote with our feet. If enough > people take that option (although I am not advocating such a step) that would > indicate they got their balance wrong and I would be surprise if they didn't > move fast to correct the error. I used apple mail for a good couple of years > after a couple of bad experiences wi the entourage database. I switched back > when the EWS version of 2008 came out because my main account at that time was > an exchange account. I was glad to be back. Apple mail if very good as a > domestic mail client. It just didn't cut the mustard for me as a heavy mail > user. YMMV. In many ways ,this is what Diane is suggesting as the MS Route > Plan: light domestic users don't need the full power of Entourage/Outlook. > They will be OK with mail.app, and it's hard to compete with 'free'. Heavy or > corporate users will pay for Outlook and that's where the money is. QED. -- > From the iPad of Barry Wainwright On 5 Oct 2010, at 13:15, Mark Falchook > <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Barry, > > Perceived 'intent' was based on > William's presentation of the facts before I realized that he isn't a MSFT > employee. But regardless, clearly the effect of MSFT's removal of various > Entourage features that I cared about will result in my moving to Apple Mail. > That the decision was made to spend their limited time/manpower/budget on > making features less convenient could've been better spent on completing sync > services across the board. And no; I won't buy into Outlook now in hope that > my desired features will be added or restored later. > > Mark > > > On Oct 5, > 2010, at 3:11 AM, Barry Wainwright <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think you > are mistaking 'effect' for 'intent'. >> >> They didn't deliberately make it > more inconvenient, they simply moved it out of the main body of the programme > into the database utility (which is the app that does the donkey work anyway). > >> >> This will have the _effect_ of reducing the risk of introducing bugs > (without a user interface, the Database Utility app is much simpler), making > it easier to test and a little more difficult to find. >> >> That last bit is > the effect of the move - I'm sure it was not the intent of the move >> >> -- > >> From the iPad of Barry Wainwright >> >> >> On 5 Oct 2010, at 03:54, Mark > Falchook <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I find it telling that Microsoft > actually went to the trouble and expense to intentionally make ANY feature > inconvenient to use. Gotta love that design philosophy. If it's Redmond's > intention to alienate Mac users, they're doing a helluva job. >>> >>> Mark >>> > >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 10:17 PM, William Smith <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/4/10 6:58 PM, "Dick Kriss" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>>> Earlier you asked me if I was impressed with the new Move item on the > >>>>> ribbon. When I was taking the test drive, I tried to save a message to > >>>>> the desktop. The File menu and Save As did not work so I then tried the > >>>>> new Move options and could no figure out the nonstandard file system. I > >>>>> expected it to open to a Finder interface and encounter a file system I > >>>>> have never seen before that was not integrated with the OS X Finder. The > >>>>> bottom line is I was not impressed with the new Move. >>>> >>>> You¹ve > misunderstood the intention of the Move feature. It¹s meant for >>>> moving > messages between folders within Outlook. To file an open message >>>> you just > click the Move menu button and select Choose FolderŠ In the next >>>> window > you simply begin typing the name of the folder and all available >>>> matches > are provided. Once you¹ve selected a folder then that folder is >>>> placed at > the top of a recently used list for quicker access. >>>> >>>>> I look forward > to the new trial to find where they hid the Switch >>>>> Identity >>>>> > Hopefully it is not history. >>>> >>>> Consider it history. >>>> >>>> The > original Switch Identity feature was envisioned by Microsoft as a >>>> > solution to the problem of having just one Mac user account that must be >>>> > shared by many users. This is from the classic Mac OS days. With the >>>> > introduction of Mac OS X and its multiple user accounts, the need for this > >>>> feature *as it was envisioned* in Entourage and Outlook is gone. >>>> > >>>> Folks have also used this feature as an archiving mechanism, which >>>> > Microsoft wasn¹t expecting. Although Microsoft hasn¹t provided a very good > >>>> archiving solution with either Entourage or Outlook, they certainly don¹t > >>>> want to support using Switch Identity as a solution. >>>> >>>> It¹s > buried in Outlook to make it less convenient to use. We can probably >>>> > expect it to be gone in the next major version. We¹ll need to spend the >>>> > time between now and then to find a different solution for archiving. >>>> > >>>> -- >>>> >>>> William Smith >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> YouTalk mailing list > >>>> List information: http://www.entourage.mvps.org/support_options/list.html > >>>> List moderator: [email protected], [email protected] >>>> To > unsubscribe: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >>> > -- >>> YouTalk mailing list >>> List information: > http://www.entourage.mvps.org/support_options/list.html >>> List moderator: > [email protected], [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >> >> >> -- >> > YouTalk mailing list >> List information: > http://www.entourage.mvps.org/support_options/list.html >> List moderator: > [email protected], [email protected] >> To unsubscribe: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > -- > YouTalk > mailing list > List information: > http://www.entourage.mvps.org/support_options/list.html > List moderator: > [email protected], [email protected] > To unsubscribe: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe -- YouTalk > mailing list List information: > http://www.entourage.mvps.org/support_options/list.html List moderator: > [email protected], [email protected] To unsubscribe: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe -- YouTalk mailing list List information: http://www.entourage.mvps.org/support_options/list.html List moderator: [email protected], [email protected] To unsubscribe: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe
